: Tue May 19, 2009 5:13 pm  

Big Dave 3 wrote:

Making room under the cap?

No.

: Tue May 19, 2009 5:39 pm  

At last, but probably 12 months too late.

With regards to Penny,this situation has been crying out for a loan spell at a National League club for about 12 months now.

He can actually learn the game playing against some seasoned professionals every week instead of wasting away in the reserves.

This could still be the making of him as a player. I certainly hope so but I would have gone even further and made it a season long deal.

: Tue May 19, 2009 5:41 pm  

bin waitin for this to happen for a while, exactly what penny needs, to get stuck in in the lower league and learn his trade physically, better that just plodding along in the reserves

: Tue May 19, 2009 5:53 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

I cannot see the downside in this deal for us. If either of them develop and shine in the lower league they will be brought back for sure, if they cannot produce at that level consistently then we are probably best without them. Good luck to both of them.

Agreed.

If these players are good enough (and they have both showed signs of having the talent) then they will do well enough to come back.

: Tue May 19, 2009 5:58 pm  

Dave T wrote:

Agreed.

If these players are good enough (and they have both showed signs of having the talent) then they will do well enough to come back.

It's classic sink or swim for those two, whilst giving them game time they wouldn't have got otherwise and reducing our financial outlay. Just wish they were on loan under a coach more recognised for developing talent, but you cannot have everything.

Whilst relaxed about Picks, I'd be really dissapointed if Penny does not develop into the absolute world beater I believe he could be. He has scored tries for us that more seasoned SL wingers could only dream of.

: Tue May 19, 2009 6:02 pm  

OK Penny didn't have a great season last time round, but he was in the Super League dream team in 2007, and has scored many tries that no other winger from this country since Brian Carney has been capable of. I realise his defence needs work, but the attacking edge is still there.

If we release him, he will join another Super League club not Widnes. Pickersgill I reckon might get a game with the Celtic Crusaders, who are basically an NL1 team anyway, but more than likely end up with a permanent contract at Widnes or Leigh.

: Tue May 19, 2009 6:34 pm  

Dave T wrote:

Agreed.

If these players are good enough (and they have both showed signs of having the talent) then they will do well enough to come back.

I hope they both do well but I think Penny has little talent for the game of rugby league other than he is pretty fast but not the fastest, Picks on the other hand surprises me I thought he had the makings but since his injury has moved backwards he if any out of the 2 may stand a chance of return if he performs Penny is a lost cause though imo if he stood any chance he would have been in the squad to play Hull but after he was omitted from that squad seeing we had so many injured wingers said everything ,I hope I am wrong about him but that's the way it looks and it looks like Smith and Lowes are seeing it that way as well !

: Tue May 19, 2009 6:45 pm  

SPIRIT OF 74 wrote:

I hope they both do well but I think Penny has little talent for the game of rugby league other than he is pretty fast but not the fastest,

I've never seen that description used for Penny.

: Tue May 19, 2009 6:46 pm  

SPIRIT OF 74 wrote:

I hope they both do well but I think Penny has little talent for the game of rugby league other than he is pretty fast but not the fastest, Picks on the other hand surprises me I thought he had the makings but since his injury has moved backwards he if any out of the 2 may stand a chance of return if he performs Penny is a lost cause though imo if he stood any chance he would have been in the squad to play Hull but after he was omitted from that squad seeing we had so many injured wingers said everything ,I hope I am wrong about him but that's the way it looks and it looks like Smith and Lowes are seeing it that way as well !

You've never like Penny though Padders.

: Tue May 19, 2009 7:17 pm  

SPIRIT OF 74 wrote:

I hope they both do well but I think Penny has little talent for the game of rugby league other than he is pretty fast but not the fastest, !

England Academy player,
Dream Team player 2007,
Picked by Tony Smith for GB train on Squad
Scored Amazing tries beating very good sometimes World Class players on the Way.
The best TRY scorer this clubs had since Jonathan Davies or Phil Blake

I was I could have been that bad a winger

you should weep at the five drives down the middle that we are destined to play over the next few months while our team of Internationals get back to basics.....