Re: Tonight’s game v Saints. : Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:20 pm  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

With the start we made, the squad we have

1. The start we have made is totally irrelevant in the play off rugby system we have. Yes, if it was top of the table = champions, then I could see why people might have higher expectations, be disappointed and want to see better than the last 2 weeks. But, we don't, so the start means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

2. The squad we have is relatively weak in comparison to Saints and Wigan (as proved by the last 2 weeks) and is the reason why having inflated expectations is a nonsense.

A dose of realism is needed, I suspect?

Re: Tonight’s game v Saints. : Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:51 pm  

karetaker wrote:

Someone is going to have to educate me here I don’t claim to have all the knowledge of the rules are if there actually any. Anyway I thought I read somewhere that it was about speeding the game up (which we evidently rely on)

So my concern before the Catalan game I knew teams would have to slow us down. Catalan had mastered that in one of their previous games and then Wigan done it to us and from the get go Saints done it to us. Now fair play they got away with it some of the laying on last night was embarrassing at one point I thought LMS was having a love in with one of our players he held on to him that long, btw I didn’t notice our players fight so hard to get up. So is there a rule regarding ruck speed I even saw mentioned in Powells post match interview he spoke of the ruck being 8 seconds.

In order to get a quick play the ball you have to win the collision, I didn’t see Wire do that many times against Saints.

Re: Tonight’s game v Saints. : Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:05 pm  

Clark going to be out a while again, I thought he was brought back to soon but guess given suspensions and other injuries.

Re: Tonight’s game v Saints. : Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:35 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

1. The start we have made is totally irrelevant in the play off rugby system we have. Yes, if it was top of the table = champions, then I could see why people might have higher expectations, be disappointed and want to see better than the last 2 weeks. But, we don't, so the start means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

2. The squad we have is relatively weak in comparison to Saints and Wigan (as proved by the last 2 weeks) and is the reason why having inflated expectations is a nonsense.

A dose of realism is needed, I suspect?

The start raises expectations and gets people excited and builds confidence.

I disagree. On paper we have a better squad than Wigan in my opinion. We have the best halfback in the league, best prop, best 9 in Clark (when’s he on it and fully fit).

Re: Tonight’s game v Saints. : Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:59 pm  

Do you really think Williams is better than Lomax?

Re: Tonight’s game v Saints. : Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:31 pm  

Zig wrote:

In order to get a quick play the ball you have to win the collision, I didn’t see Wire do that many times against Saints.

That's Just arbitrary though IMO. What I see is that the inept referee (insert any superleague referees name here) just decides one team is winning collisions and let's them get away with a much slower ruck than their opposition all game. Its usually Wigan, saints and Wigan who get benefit of the doubt.

Re: Tonight’s game v Saints. : Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:45 pm  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

The start raises expectations and gets people excited and builds confidence.

I disagree. On paper we have a better squad than Wigan in my opinion. We have the best halfback in the league, best prop, best 9 in Clark (when’s he on it and fully fit).

Didn't know you had signed Lomax Roby and Walsmley!!!

Re: Tonight’s game v Saints. : Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:52 pm  

I almost typed that word for word...

Re: Tonight’s game v Saints. : Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:52 pm  

Douglas Black wrote:

Do you really think Williams is better than Lomax?

Lomax is miles better than Williams..and on less money..wish we had him

Re: Tonight’s game v Saints. : Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:05 pm  

karetaker wrote:

Someone is going to have to educate me here I don’t claim to have all the knowledge of the rules are if there actually any. Anyway I thought I read somewhere that it was about speeding the game up (which we evidently rely on)

So my concern before the Catalan game I knew teams would have to slow us down. Catalan had mastered that in one of their previous games and then Wigan done it to us and from the get go Saints done it to us. Now fair play they got away with it some of the laying on last night was embarrassing at one point I thought LMS was having a love in with one of our players he held on to him that long, btw I didn’t notice our players fight so hard to get up. So is there a rule regarding ruck speed I even saw mentioned in Powells post match interview he spoke of the ruck being 8 seconds.

If you get dominated in the tackle then teams are allowed to hold you down longer. Been that way for years and happened to us on Good Friday as well. Our PTB was a snail's pace. Complaining about a slow ruck is usually a sign that you've lost the physical battle.

Of course, doesn't help that refs just randomly decide to ping a slow ruck out of nowhere from time to time and nobody has a clue what the actual line is