: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:42 am  

the tache is back wrote:

it was indeed shirebrook.

to be fair if you go to shirebrook now it is just starting to pick up, there are a few warehouses and industrial estates popping up in another 10 years there will be a big difference

: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:44 am  

Paul Youane wrote:

I suggest you put on your "Young Conservatives" regalia and go and debate this point with the good people of Featherstone prior to our cup game.


Also rather interesting to see how far this country has come in the last two decades when looking at the public outcry at the "heavy-handed" policing of the recent G8 (?) protests in London to the conduct of police under Thatcher's instruction.

Here we go - the hackneyed Thatchers / State Police argument. I guess it was wrong of the Police to try and defend peoples right to cross a picket line and go to work?

: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:25 am  

Wires71 - I notice that you have failed to respond to my reply.
Is that due to agreement?

: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:53 am  

Interesting thread.

I wouldn't vote - as I think there is little difference between the 2 parties. Both are left leaning liberal parties.

The problem is if the Tories get in then nothing will change and people will feel the only option is to vote for more extreme parties 10 years down the line which would be a nightmare and damage the country. The best hope is that the Tories lose again (something I think is more than possible if Labour can rally - I don't sense a real enthusiasm for Cameron) and disintegrate. Then we might get some real political options - small c conservatives (the values of which would probably appeal to a lot of 'working class' people but who would never vote Tory - advocating things like Grammar Schools) and the liberals can join up with Labour and the Lib Dems. You may well also see people swapping between parties - for example someone like Frank Field is who I would see fitting into the small c group. Cameron can go and join the other career politician / media types in New Labour.

The Labour party long since stopped being the patriotic, socially conservative party it once was aiming to improve the lot of those poorest in society. The problem for politics in this country is that a large swathe of the country will never vote Tory. Therefore - it's difficult to change anything unless the options change.

(I know you could put a donkey with a blue rosette up in some constituencies but I'd argue that the feelings towards the Tories in the (former) mining areas etc. are far stronger than those against Labour in Surrey and other areas.)

: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:13 am  

FuturoChampioni wrote:

Wires71 - I notice that you have failed to respond to my reply.
Is that due to agreement?

No. You do make reasonable points on the basis of your particular political persuasion, as do I. I do not think we will agree however.

: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:11 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Ian I do totally agree with you up to the point where we believe WWII was about protecting the right to vote. It was more complicated. Our Government at the time had only given the vote to women under 30 just 11 years before the start of WWII. It's hardly a ringing endorsement of our (British) committment to people's freedoms.

Anyway I agree, people should vote or not complain about the Government.

Again, nothing to disagree about. However, one of the consequences of losing that war would have been millions of people losing the right to vote (and much more probably).

: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:42 pm  

Wire_Yed_79 wrote:

Media and sport and the life and times of David Beckham should be paid through the nose.

Phyisology? Sports Science?

: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:01 pm  

The All New Chester Wire wrote:

What are they?

Media Studies, Art , Drama , media and film , Art , Art and Art

: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:14 pm  

The All New Chester Wire wrote:

Phyisology? Sports Science?

Sport and Exercise Psychology, Sport and Exercise Science, Sports Development, Physical Education and School Sport, Sport Studies, Coaching.

There are lots and they are all legitimate courses which can lead to various careers. People shouldn't be scrutinised for wanting to better themselves regardless of the course.

: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:55 pm  

The All New Chester Wire wrote:

Phyisology? Sports Science?

I did a sports science degree and in hindsight i can honestly say it was pointless. Im now a manager in a fairly big company in london and it didn't help me in the slightest. I now do one night a week at college plumbing and eventually plan on moving to the US BECAUSE i find our government so weak and pathetic, Something i can't see changing for quite some time to come.