: Tue May 19, 2009 10:12 pm  

Dave T wrote:

I can't think of any, but this Warrington set-up is different now.

Leeds have loaned out plenty of players in the past, and continue to do so. It is a strategy that has brought some success for them, so let's give it a go and see what happens. As has been said,what have we got to lose.

As Sally has said, I don't necessarily think this means it is the end of their careers with Wire.

Widnes' team is in turmoil at the moment. They're coached by Cullen.

It's a disaster for both players.

: Tue May 19, 2009 10:13 pm  

the flying biscuit wrote:

England Academy player,
Dream Team player 2007,
Picked by Tony Smith for GB train on Squad
Scored Amazing tries beating very good sometimes World Class players on the Way.
The best TRY scorer this clubs had since Jonathan Davies or Phil Blake

I was I could have been that bad a winger

you should weep at the five drives down the middle that we are destined to play over the next few months while our team of Internationals get back to basics.....

I thought this was a good post apart from your last line.

I looked back at Kevin Penny's stats on slstats.org, and even last year when he was getting stick he scored a brilliant hattrick against Saints at the HJ, where he skinned Gardner (he also had one disallowed), and scored a great hattrick against Wakefield too. Even in a difficult season for him, he still showed glimpses of brilliance with ball in hand.

As for your last point, I was worried under Lowes, but I think our style is getting better under Smith. Most of our tries are scored out wide, and I think it was always accepted that we would need a more conservative style than previous years, certainly in the short term. I certainly wouldn;t describe it as 5 drives down the middle though.

: Tue May 19, 2009 10:16 pm  

Dave T wrote:

I thought this was a good post apart from your last line.

I looked back at Kevin Penny's stats on slstats.org, and even last year when he was getting stick he scored a brilliant hattrick against Saints at the HJ, where he skinned Gardner (he also had one disallowed), and scored a great hattrick against Wakefield too. Even in a difficult season for him, he still showed glimpses of brilliance with ball in hand.

As for your last point, I was worried under Lowes, but I think our style is getting better under Smith. Most of our tries are scored out wide, and I think it was always accepted that we would need a more conservative style than previous years, certainly in the short term. I certainly wouldn;t describe it as 5 drives down the middle though.

Quite. Hull FC are the official dullers of the league, we play the game with a million times more gay abandon than they do.

Penny had a reasonable season last year, with one notable error in a game in which he'd been superb. Lowes didn't get on with him for whatever reason and he was out. Lowes was later shown to be a donkey.

We certainly don't know enough about what's gone on to comment for sure, but what I am pretty certain of is that Smith wouldn't be packing Penny off to Widnes if he rated him.

: Tue May 19, 2009 10:23 pm  

just_browny wrote:

We certainly don't know enough about what's gone on to comment for sure, but what I am pretty certain of is that Smith wouldn't be packing Penny off to Widnes if he rated him.

But doesn't Smith have history of loaning players out from when he was at Leeds?

That's a genuine question, as my memory isn;t good enough to remember actual players that they did loan out!

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

: Tue May 19, 2009 10:24 pm  

leeds for a while now used to have 3/4 academy players out n about, it used to be they had a load down at the broncos, or in the NL.

: Wed May 20, 2009 12:25 am  

Dave T wrote:

As for your last point, I was worried under Lowes, but I think our style is getting better under Smith. Most of our tries are scored out wide, and I think it was always accepted that we would need a more conservative style than previous years, certainly in the short term. I certainly wouldn;t describe it as 5 drives down the middle though.

Even Barrie Macdermot called our plays correctly in the Hull game we were that predicatble...

but yes i appreciate I'm being Harsh ...im just absolutley dissapointed that with the quality across the field we undoubtably have we can not find room for a young Winger with plenty still to learn but is without doubt the best and most exciting attacking threat weve had for years........

: Wed May 20, 2009 7:00 am  

Dave T wrote:

But doesn't Smith have history of loaning players out from when he was at Leeds?

That's a genuine question, as my memory isn;t good enough to remember actual players that they did loan out!

In his first season at Leeds he had Nick Scruton out at Hull and Carl Ablett, Liam Botham and Scott Murrell at London. In his second year he had Chris Feather out at Wakefield and Wayne McDonald at Wigan.

Murrell never really made it at Leeds and McDonald's loan was a precusor to him being moved out, but the other four all went onto feature in Smiths teams when they came back.

: Wed May 20, 2009 7:20 am  

SPIRIT OF 74 wrote:

Out of interest does anyone know if any player has been sent out on loan at any club and returned to have a flourishing career at the wire ?

Ben Harrison

: Wed May 20, 2009 7:31 am  

I can see Pickersgill having more of an impact than Penny.

I hope we get Pickersgill back but wouldn't be that concerned is the Penny move became permanent. I can't see Widnes using him to his full potential and he could end up another Nicky Royle. I know Penny has shown lots more potential that Royle ever did before anyone points this out.