He was convicted at the end of April 2009 (and obviously later acquitted) but his visa was rejected back in February 2009. They had to let him in the country every other week as he gained a French visa.
As an Aussie he needed UKBA permission to enter under the immigration rules, regardless of the French visa and if he was denied the visa in the first place because of the charge, then after conviction it's arguable he shouldn't have been admitted at all.
Re Chase, while the incident occurred before he joined Cas he wasn't convicted until last year, so it could well affect any new visa application. Obviously I'm no expert, but given the examples mentioned already plus a few others I'd be surprised if it's not a factor in his visa decision even if he still gets one.
He's already been admitted to the UK since the conviction so UKBA have effectively said its ok. It will certainly be a factor in any application, but its anyone's guess as to what's going on.
No idea at all about visas but will the fact he's got a child over here work in his favour? I imagine it would but like I say haven't a clue about them.
Well he's fooled his fellow professionals who voted him Man of Steel, journalists who voted him winner of the Albert Goldthorpe Medal, Howie Tamati who picked him for the Maoris, Brian McLennan who selected him for the Exiles and Steve McNamara who selected him for England.
Eligibility for International Rugby League 3.1 A player is eligible to play an International Match for:- (a) the country in which he was born; (b) the country in which either of his parents or any of his grandparents was born; (c) the country which has been his principal place of residence for a period of three years up to the date of his selection; (d) the country that he has represented pursuant to paragraph 3.2 (irrespective of whether that country continues to be his principal place of residence) provided that he has not subsequently represented any other country pursuant to Rule 3.3 below. From the RLIF website
Surely at least one of those would give him a British passport. If he's not got a British passport then letting him play for us is madness. I'm okay with adopted citizens playing for a UK team but surely you'd have to have passport. What kind of crazy employment system are we running here where he can play for England but then needs a visa to work here?
As an Aussie he needed UKBA permission to enter under the immigration rules, regardless of the French visa and if he was denied the visa in the first place because of the charge, then after conviction it's arguable he shouldn't have been admitted at all.
He's already been admitted to the UK since the conviction so UKBA have effectively said its ok. It will certainly be a factor in any application, but its anyone's guess as to what's going on.
Bird was probably allowed in as a Sports Visitor.
But his visa is valid for 3 years or until he changes employment, so I doubt UKBA will have been doing background checks every time he comes back into the country, they'll just check his visa is current, which it is. It's only now that he's had to apply to extend his visa that he may find problems. It depends if UKBA have relaxed their stance or not from a couple of years ago.
Surely at least one of those would give him a British passport. If he's not got a British passport then letting him play for us is madness. I'm okay with adopted citizens playing for a UK team but surely you'd have to have passport. What kind of crazy employment system are we running here where he can play for England but then needs a visa to work here?
Well the only that applies to him is "c" and "d". I don't know if living here for 3 years is enough to get a passport, and the GBH conviction wouldn't help him gain a British passport either. Well because the eligibility rules for international rugby league are different to the rules necessary to be a UK citizen.
Surely at least one of those would give him a British passport. If he's not got a British passport then letting him play for us is madness. I'm okay with adopted citizens playing for a UK team but surely you'd have to have passport. What kind of crazy employment system are we running here where he can play for England but then needs a visa to work here?
Manu Tuilagi also seemed to have a bit of a Visa issue before he made his debut for England RU IIRC.
Also worth noting Grant Millington has said Chase has been training "really hard" all week with Cas.
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Surely at least one of those would give him a British passport. If he's not got a British passport then letting him play for us is madness. I'm okay with adopted citizens playing for a UK team but surely you'd have to have passport. What kind of crazy employment system are we running here where he can play for England but then needs a visa to work here?
I think it'd be easier to argue that it is the qualifications required to play for England RL are crazy, rather than the employment system. But they don't look very different to RU, for example, or possibly cricket (could be wrong on the latter, not really up on it). The laws of the country and the rules of RL are not integrated; though its clear which take precedence. The England RL team has no official legal standing.
But his visa is valid for 3 years or until he changes employment, so I doubt UKBA will have been doing background checks every time he comes back into the country, they'll just check his visa is current, which it is. It's only now that he's had to apply to extend his visa that he may find problems. It depends if UKBA have relaxed their stance or not from a couple of years ago.
Bird still had to satisfy the general immigration rules for each entry, regardless of how he was coming in, which was my beef at the time, but that's past history.
I would hope, not just cos he's apparently off to Hull, that the fact Rangi got back in after declaring the conviction means he shouldn't have problem now. UKBA can't have it both ways.
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