Re: widdop : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:24 pm  

saint billy wrote:

I hardly noticed him to be honest and he didn't have any impact, IMO. If i'm honest, i haven't being very impressed with him for the second half of the season, the first half of the season he showed a great amount of promise though and obviously has plenty of potential but i wasn't impressed with him.

He tackled anything that came near him, and his quick hands allowed the move for the 2nd try to happen.

Just because he wasn't busting through tackles doesn't mean he wasn't there, didn't really see anyone else doing that either.

Re: widdop : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:25 pm  

Nozzy wrote:

Agree with you about J Tomkins. Been dire this week and last. Drop him and pick Harrison.

But Macnamara hasn't got the stones to do it.

Re: widdop : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:28 pm  

DP_wwrlfc wrote:

Tell you what Joel must really have rubbed some opposition fans up the wrong way this year especially a few bitter Saints fans looking at some of this posts.

Joel Tomkins - Ben Westwood

Hit ups 3 (22m) - 5 (34m)
Average 7.3 - 6.8
Offloads 1 - 1
Tackles 15 -17
Missed tackles 0 - 1
Errors 0 - 0
Penaltys conceded 0 - 1

Considering Joel wasnt on the field nearly aslong as Westwood who seems to be getting talked up on here as one of the only players to show up i think Joel's stats and performance stands up quite well tbf. Im not trying to put Westwood down as i thought he played well im just using him as an example. Can someone give me a logical explaination on why J.Tomkins is getting dogged ? Or is it a simple case that he ruffled a few two many feathers this year on his way to getting his winners medal.

Where have you got those stats from? Rooster Boosters link on another thread has these

15. Joel Tomkins 8 5 (26m)
16. Ben Westwood 12 8 (55m)

With first column receives and the second runs. For me it comes down to a straight choice between the two, going with one prop on the bench is suicide against these teams IMO.

Re: widdop : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:44 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

Where have you got those stats from? Rooster Boosters link on another thread has these

15. Joel Tomkins 8 5 (26m)
16. Ben Westwood 12 8 (55m)

With first column receives and the second runs. For me it comes down to a straight choice between the two, going with one prop on the bench is suicide against these teams IMO.

Got them from the same link you just click on run after you select player stats.

I'd go with O'loughlin at 6 with Burgess 13, Westwood starting in the SR and Joel on Bench but getting on alot earlier to show what a top player he is. Been impressed with Westwood he seems to suit the international stage.

Re: widdop : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:51 pm  

DP_wwrlfc wrote: Got them from the same link you just click on run after you select player stats. I'd go with O'loughlin at 6 with Burgess 13, Westwood starting in the SR and Joel on Bench but getting on alot earlier to show what a top player he is. Been impressed with Westwood he seems to suit the international stage. Nah mate it's not the same as this one http://live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match3976.html

DP_wwrlfc wrote: Got them from the same link you just click on run after you select player stats. I'd go with O'loughlin at 6 with Burgess 13, Westwood starting in the SR and Joel on Bench but getting on alot earlier to show what a top player he is. Been impressed with Westwood he seems to suit the international stage. Nah mate it's not the same as this one http://live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match3976.html

Re: widdop : Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:05 pm  

inside_man wrote: Nah mate it's not the same as this one http://live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match3976.html It is mate click on player stats and then runs. Then look at the Hit-ups column that i quote. I picked out them as the impression i got was the general feeling from most posters was that Westwood drove the ball well whereas Tomkins didnt make an impressive with his.

inside_man wrote: Nah mate it's not the same as this one http://live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match3976.html It is mate click on player stats and then runs. Then look at the Hit-ups column that i quote. I picked out them as the impression i got was the general feeling from most posters was that Westwood drove the ball well whereas Tomkins didnt make an impressive with his.

Re: widdop : Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:12 am  

DP_wwrlfc wrote:

It is mate click on player stats and then runs. Then look at the Hit-ups column that i quote. I picked out them as the impression i got was the general feeling from most posters was that Westwood drove the ball well whereas Tomkins didnt make an impressive with his.

You've ignored all the other runs that Westwood did to suit your argument then?

Granted I think that Westwood was on the pitch longer, but in reality neither impressed a great deal and it's an either or decision for me. Westwood covers the props better, Tomkins the backs.

Re: widdop : Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:45 am  

I think J. Tomkins is getting some harsh criticism on here, saw him put in one particularly strong run in the second half. in the whole Westwood/J. Tomikns debate, and I'm trying to forget how much I hate the Wolves, you could never criticise Westwood for effort, but Tomkins does seem to have a touch more class and both have all the physical attributes.

When you look at the problems through out the side, neither Tomkins or Westwood were the big issue. England's big issue is their need to re-group mentally. 1st half aside, they weren't that bad. If Brown's try had stood, like it would have if a NZ player had scored an identical try, we could have gone on to win the game.

Re: widdop : Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:56 am  

DP_wwrlfc wrote:

Surprise people by how shocking he is at tackling ? Worst in superleague aint he ?

He had to cover his position and the wing last season. Surrounded by better players he'll dominate.

Re: widdop : Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:59 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

If he didn't get injured, Richard Owen would have been the fullback imo.

Doesn't Cudjoe play fullback too? Apart from 1 drop Widdop didn't look that bad today anyway, certainly an improvement over Briscoe, Atkins was the biggest joke out there today.

Absolute rubbish.

As a wire fan I cringed at Atkins performance yesterday, but Widdop was actually worse when he went to centre.