Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:21 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Odsal is indeed an old landfill site, but if it would cost £8m to build a roof over the pop side, which is on the tip, how come the managed to build a pretty simple, and very effective roof over the stand side, which equally is also on the tip? And with some maintenance has happily stood there for many decades?

Plus, when I first started going to Odsal, there WAS a roof over the pop side, not all of it, but a fair chunk of it, it was the old wooden stand. If you can't build there, then how the fsck did the old-timers build that? Or was the impossible possible back in the day? I would have several times more confidence in the builders and engineers of that era, or indeed of Romantimes, than the money-grabbing fast-buck consortia of profiteers that have come up with the last 20 superplans for superOdsal. Most of these modern highwaymen charge more for the T&A front page drawings than those old-timers would have charged to build the whole ground.

I think it was the Romans that did the first proposal for the Odsal super dome, with revisions done by William the conqueror and later King Henry the 8th, I also heard a rumour that had operation sea Lion been successful Adolf Hitler also had his own plans drawn up by Albert Speer for a Wembley of the North with Nando's, Costa and Premier Inn incorporated into the stadium Complex.

[Bulliac]

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:06 pm  

We did have our greatest period under Caisley but it was done at a great cost, as his plans for funding the team effectively started the rot we haven't got out of since.

Without going into that period again and again, let's say that I believe Chris is an intelligent man who would have learned from his mistakes, so if he returns, and I'd guess it's a big IF, then whatever happens may well be fine.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:07 pm  

Are we sure Lawn isn't in the running then, he said he would decide by Friday.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:22 pm  

RickyF1 wrote:

Are we sure Lawn isn't in the running then, he said he would decide by Friday.

Given the way he's not been shy about talking to the press, I suspect we would have heard if he had decided to go for it.

[Bullseye]

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:33 pm  

They've all signed non disclosure agreements so we won't hear anything from any of them that are still involved until the process is over.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:37 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

Given the way he's not been shy about talking to the press, I suspect we would have heard if he had decided to go for it.

At the beginning of last week the administrators said 3 people was involved with rugby back ground and his last statement he said 4 was involved with sporting back ground.

That's what makes me feel he is. And then I think Green could be the other aswell as Koucash and caisley

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:57 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

They've all signed non disclosure agreements so we won't hear anything from any of them that are still involved until the process is over.

Would a NDA prevent them even saying they had made a bid?. Thought it was more about not revealing any financial or legal details.

[Bullseye]

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:59 pm  

Dunno Mat but nobody has said much and if we believe that this involves Koukash and Caisley then I'd be surprised they could keep their mouths shut unless they had to.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:06 pm  

A little reading material regards new stadium costs. archistadia-en: Leigh Sports Village, promoting sport and inspiring the local community http://archistadia-en.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... s.html?m=1 Of course LCRLFC did not pay for the stadium & despite popular belief, Wigan Council did not pay for the Stadium entirely at least. The whole development was brought together by the Council, Developers, LCRLFC & numerous partners. The cost of the Stadium, College, Pool, Athletics track & Leigh East Club & all sports pitches was largely offset by deals with developers. The land for a new build housing development, Morrisons Supermarket, Hotel & the pub given over to developers significantly reduced or dare I say largely paid for the sports complex (not that I have the full facts), seems a reasonable conclusion to reach. The land from the old Hilton Park Stadium & to the side of has been sold to the NHS & is close to completion of a new Mental Health Facility. Leigh Harriers Athletics track has long since been sold off & developed for housing, more cash back to the Council Coffers or developer's. If the Odsal site is able to take a large structure then bulldozing the Stadium & rebuilding new would be financially more beneficial long term than any improvements & ongoing repair & renovations. If this were viable then a design could incorporate some retail &/or hotel as part of the structure or stand alone buildings. I don't know the other site Bulls fans speak of, but if this is a larger site then the new pool, retail & leisure facilities, hotel etc could be viable. Of course if Park Avenue or whatever they are called ground shared, that land + the Odsal site could go to developers to form part of the deal & reduce costs. I don't see *other than attracting the right Bulls owners, developers & Council co-operation* how something along the lines of an LSV could not be achieved, though not on the Odsal site. A 15,000 capacity stadium is all that is required, given an arbitrary build cost of 20 - 25 £M, costs could be significantly reduced by all the aforementioned features/facilities. Now all you need is a wealthy new owner/group with vision & a forward thinking Council. Easy I fully expect to have holes ripped right through this post & that's fine, just an interested neutral who would like the Bulls & RL generally to prosper.

A little reading material regards new stadium costs. archistadia-en: Leigh Sports Village, promoting sport and inspiring the local community http://archistadia-en.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... s.html?m=1 Of course LCRLFC did not pay for the stadium & despite popular belief, Wigan Council did not pay for the Stadium entirely at least. The whole development was brought together by the Council, Developers, LCRLFC & numerous partners. The cost of the Stadium, College, Pool, Athletics track & Leigh East Club & all sports pitches was largely offset by deals with developers. The land for a new build housing development, Morrisons Supermarket, Hotel & the pub given over to developers significantly reduced or dare I say largely paid for the sports complex (not that I have the full facts), seems a reasonable conclusion to reach. The land from the old Hilton Park Stadium & to the side of has been sold to the NHS & is close to completion of a new Mental Health Facility. Leigh Harriers Athletics track has long since been sold off & developed for housing, more cash back to the Council Coffers or developer's. If the Odsal site is able to take a large structure then bulldozing the Stadium & rebuilding new would be financially more beneficial long term than any improvements & ongoing repair & renovations. If this were viable then a design could incorporate some retail &/or hotel as part of the structure or stand alone buildings. I don't know the other site Bulls fans speak of, but if this is a larger site then the new pool, retail & leisure facilities, hotel etc could be viable. Of course if Park Avenue or whatever they are called ground shared, that land + the Odsal site could go to developers to form part of the deal & reduce costs. I don't see *other than attracting the right Bulls owners, developers & Council co-operation* how something along the lines of an LSV could not be achieved, though not on the Odsal site. A 15,000 capacity stadium is all that is required, given an arbitrary build cost of 20 - 25 £M, costs could be significantly reduced by all the aforementioned features/facilities. Now all you need is a wealthy new owner/group with vision & a forward thinking Council. Easy I fully expect to have holes ripped right through this post & that's fine, just an interested neutral who would like the Bulls & RL generally to prosper.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:30 pm  

RickyF1 wrote:

At the beginning of last week the administrators said 3 people was involved with rugby back ground and his last statement he said 4 was involved with sporting back ground.

That's what makes me feel he is. And then I think Green could be the other aswell as Koucash and caisley

Richard Lamb would meet this criteria as well. The NDA's don't stop you saying you've submitted a bid, it stops you talking about the information you've received to bid against, and obviously no one will disclose what their bid is yet. I would be surprised if Lawn was involved once Julian Rhodes said he wasn't interested.

The Park Avenue link would also fit, wouldn't surprise me if this was the consortium that Caisley was involved with.