When is a knock-on not a knock-on : Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:29 pm  

Can anyone answer the following (after a disagreement at an U16s game this morning).

Bomb goes up on last tackle - defender comes in and jumps to catch the ball.

His arms and hands miss it - but it bounces forward off his chest.

Is this a Knock-On ?

Re: When is a knock-on not a knock-on : Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:38 pm  

Hugh Janus wrote:

Can anyone answer the following (after a disagreement at an U16s game this morning).

Bomb goes up on last tackle - defender comes in and jumps to catch the ball.

His arms and hands miss it - but it bounces forward off his chest.

Is this a Knock-On ?

No, there was a championship game a season or two ago where the stand off passed the ball out wide, the player who should have caught the ball mis-timed his run and ran straight into the ball, chesting it forward. The ball bounced through the defensive line and the attacking player then grounded the ball. Given T R Y. Im guessing this is in the same category in regards to is it, isnt it a knock on.

Re: When is a knock-on not a knock-on : Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:06 pm  

Simple answer;


If the ref says its a knock on it is.

If he says its not one it isn't.


You cant have a game without the referee so you have to take the calls as they come.

Re: When is a knock-on not a knock-on : Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:34 pm  

Not a knock-on but will be given as one 99 times out of a 100

You can never be 100% sure it didn't brush the arms/hands - even it's just one hair or fibre

Re: When is a knock-on not a knock-on : Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:20 pm  

It's definitely not a knock on but you can't do that sort of thing deliberately since the header move by Jonathan Neill was outlawed.

Re: When is a knock-on not a knock-on : Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:22 pm  

Its a knock on.

If the ball is propelled forward off any part of the body below the neck and above the knee it is a knock on!!!!!

Re: When is a knock-on not a knock-on : Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:30 pm  

From the rules on the RFL website: http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/page.php?areaid=270 Link to PDF at the bottom of the page. Knock on : means to knock the ball towards the opponents dead ball line with HAND or ARM, while playing at the ball As the chest is not the hand or arm then it is not a knock on. If it is one of the situations where the player went to catch the ball but missed and if came off his chest i would think most refs whether amateur or SL would probably judge it as a knock on.

From the rules on the RFL website: http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/page.php?areaid=270 Link to PDF at the bottom of the page. Knock on : means to knock the ball towards the opponents dead ball line with HAND or ARM, while playing at the ball As the chest is not the hand or arm then it is not a knock on. If it is one of the situations where the player went to catch the ball but missed and if came off his chest i would think most refs whether amateur or SL would probably judge it as a knock on.

Re: When is a knock-on not a knock-on : Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:44 pm  

Defo not a knock on.

Re: When is a knock-on not a knock-on : Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:18 pm  

Harry Pinner wrote:

It's definitely not a knock on but you can't do that sort of thing deliberately since the header move by Jonathan Neill was outlawed.

it was John Harrison.

Re: When is a knock-on not a knock-on : Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:29 pm  

Benidorm John wrote:

it was John Harrison.

it was john Harrison but for a bonus point who scored the try?