Re: Fishing quota : Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:27 pm  

JRD wrote:

That would be the logical conclusion, however, its not always true. NSW in particular has made an artform of selecting players who aren't good enough, its part of the reason they are staring down the barrel of 6 consecutive defeats.

Whereas I would suggest it is more because of who is playing for the other side. It seems to me they have half the Australian national team, which has a particularly gifted backline at present, whereas NSW don't have that luxury.

I know its come across as a big whinge against Perry

Yes it did.

Yeah, I suppose its not a fantastic first impression

No it wasn't.

I never said Perry is rubbish nor will I, Perry is a good NRL prop and he will be a good player next year.

That's what we want: a good player. Imports travel in different ways. Eastwood at Rhinos got all homesick, bless, and after not playing that many games over here has scuttled it back down under. What a wuss. Again at the Rhinos, Buderus was supposed to be hot property yet every time I've seen him on TV he's dropped the ball and given away penalties. But we got Gidley a few years ago and he has been a brilliant player for us after a bit of a dodgy start. Not this season, granted, but previously he has been superb. So telling us that Perry is not up to much down under counts for zip, really, given that it is a different game over here and a different culture.

I'm looking forward to him coming. If he is niggly in the way that someone suggested then so long as he is niggly in a clever way I'm all for it. We need someone with a bit of edge to him as we sorely lack that at Saints. Likewise, we need someone who isn't afraid to take on the opposition going forward and in the tackle.

Besides, I like the look of his punch.

Re: Fishing quota : Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:41 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Whereas I would suggest it is more because of who is playing for the other side. It seems to me they have half the Australian national team, which has a particularly gifted backline at present, whereas NSW don't have that luxury.

Indeed, which is why I was careful to stress that poor selections like Perry (although there have been worse) are only part of the problem.

So telling us that Perry is not up to much down under counts for zip, really, given that it is a different game over here and a different culture.

Obviously there is no blanket statement that will be able to describe how a player will adjust. However, I do think that how a player plays in one league will give at least a rough indication of how they will do in another. And since this thread was discussing players like Perry I thought an assessment of his playing ability would be relevant, apparently I was mistaken. But give me time, I'm only new here and I'll eventually learn to toe the party line.

I'm looking forward to him coming. If he is niggly in the way that someone suggested then so long as he is niggly in a clever way I'm all for it. We need someone with a bit of edge to him as we sorely lack that at Saints. Likewise, we need someone who isn't afraid to take on the opposition going forward and in the tackle.

Although its probably clear so far that I don't really rate Perry, he is a surprisingly disciplined player. Particularly in the last two years he has dramatically cut down on the number of errors and penalties he gives away, despite being a real agitator. If he can maintain that level of control and improve his meterage back to what it was a few years ago then next year's forward pack will look very dangerous.

Re: Fishing quota : Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:08 pm  

JRD I would like to thank you for your posts on this topic, clearly you're in a better position to pass judgement / give your point of view on Perry than the majority of folks around here.

Its hard coming onto a forum and posting your opinion to be told its going to be taken 'with a pinch of salt', please don't let this discourgae you from further posts, I for one value your opinon more than the inward looking 'sound right so say it' drivel that is common-place around here.

Re: Fishing quota : Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:33 pm  

JRD wrote:

And since this thread was discussing players like Perry I thought an assessment of his playing ability would be relevant, apparently I was mistaken.

Not at all. But I'm sure you can appreciate that your first post on here was being less than positive about our new recruit so therefore you surely must have anticipated a less than warm response from some posters?

But give me time, I'm only new here and I'll eventually learn to toe the party line.

You can take that approach if you want to, but I never toe the party line, as you would see if you look on other threads. However, if it pleases you to do so then you are free to do so. Alternatively, you could attempt to view things from the perspective of us Saints fans here in little ole blighty. We were looking forward to Perry coming here. Well, I was anyway!

Although its probably clear so far that I don't really rate Perry, he is a surprisingly disciplined player. Particularly in the last two years he has dramatically cut down on the number of errors and penalties he gives away, despite being a real agitator. If he can maintain that level of control and improve his meterage back to what it was a few years ago then next year's forward pack will look very dangerous.

Well, it will if all the rest of the team cut down on their errors and the number of penalties they give away anyway!

Re: Fishing quota : Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:33 pm  

The Jamster wrote:

JRD I would like to thank you for your posts on this topic, clearly you're in a better position to pass judgement / give your point of view on Perry than the majority of folks around here.

Do you always trust people so quickly?

Re: Fishing quota : Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:44 pm  

Mate, the guys offering an opinion not borrowing your car

Re: Fishing quota : Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:50 pm  

JRD wrote:

Indeed, which is why I was careful to stress that poor selections like Perry (although there have been worse) are only part of the problem.

Obviously there is no blanket statement that will be able to describe how a player will adjust. However, I do think that how a player plays in one league will give at least a rough indication of how they will do in another. And since this thread was discussing players like Perry I thought an assessment of his playing ability would be relevant, apparently I was mistaken. But give me time, I'm only new here and I'll eventually learn to toe the party line.

Although its probably clear so far that I don't really rate Perry, he is a surprisingly disciplined player. Particularly in the last two years he has dramatically cut down on the number of errors and penalties he gives away, despite being a real agitator. If he can maintain that level of control and improve his meterage back to what it was a few years ago then next year's forward pack will look very dangerous.

My favourite poster on any board is SaintsFan (Sally is it? I could be well off: sorry!!!)

but I (and apparently many others) think your posts are refreshing. Don't fear telling you opinion on something you obviously know more about than the rest of the board. You are the "expert Witness" on J. Perry and applaud your insights.

It is obvious you are not trolling the Saints fans and these are honest opinions from an impartial source.

I wasn't getting at you SaintsFan; I can see you point but i would have to say you can't begrudge a guy telling you how it is. We know more about him now and will see how that reflects on his performance next season.

Re: Fishing quota : Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:00 pm  

jdrocket wrote:

My favourite poster on any board is SaintsFan (Sally is it? I could be well off: sorry!!!)

You're well off.

jdrocket wrote:

I wasn't getting at you SaintsFan; I can see you point but i would have to say you can't begrudge a guy telling you how it is. We know more about him now and will see how that reflects on his performance next season.

Nope. I don't begrudge anyone telling anyone how they think it is, so long as that someone doesn't mind me doing the same thing back to them! If you want to give it out then you need to be able to receive it.

I know no more about Josh Perry now than I did before I read JRD's post. All I have is someone else's opinion on our signing. It was their first post so I don't have any background opinion to judge whether their opinions are worth noting.

I'm looking forward to Perry joining us and seeing what he can do for us.

Re: Fishing quota : Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:02 pm  

The Jamster wrote:

Mate, the guys offering an opinion not borrowing your car

Exactly.

Re: Fishing quota : Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:10 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

You're well off.

Nope. I don't begrudge anyone telling anyone how they think it is, so long as that someone doesn't mind me doing the same thing back to them! If you want to give it out then you need to be able to receive it.

I know no more about Josh Perry now than I did before I read JRD's post. All I have is someone else's opinion on our signing. It was their first post so I don't have any background opinion to judge whether their opinions are worth noting.

I'm looking forward to Perry joining us and seeing what he can do for us.

Did you know

In the past two seasons, Josh Perry hasn't averaged more than 80m a game and hasn't made more than a 100m a game since 2005.

or

In his two games for NSW he has only made 113m in total, including the first game of this year where he only made 38 metres in 7 runs as a starting prop,

I think what he said was useful. In his first post that you lampooned him for he gave you honest facts. Telling you to beware on past performances.

I think that's great of him.