Re: Boxing Day | Wakefield Trinity : Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:09 am  

christopher wrote:

I do think some are over egging the things like short kick offs - that was quickly dropped last year in the season proper and wasn’t our main issues at all, dumb rugby was a greater issue, I think this new squad has a greater rugby IQ than last years.

Frawley was given way too much unfair stick when he signed, he’ll be a far better player for us than the one he’s replacing.

It's not the kick offs in themselves but the mentality it creates that leads to the dumb rugby, how much of last preseason was pssed away on short cutting gimmicks at the cost of working on the fundamentals which was then detrimental to performances in the season.

Why completely change the normal ebb and flow of a typical game to practice something you're then going to do away with (aside from when you're already 40 points down). No, if that continues it's speaks more to where the team will be lacking mentally when it matters.

Re: Boxing Day | Wakefield Trinity : Fri Dec 29, 2023 12:22 pm  

I think Olpherts will be very useful this year, IF the online and game day abuse by fans stops. Had a complete loss of confidence last year, not helped by fans imho. How about getting behind him and being supportive? Is a quick, powerful 3/4 and useful. Much more raw ability that Kershaw for example….

Re: Boxing Day | Wakefield Trinity : Fri Dec 29, 2023 12:26 pm  

well said, get behind the lad.

Re: Boxing Day | Wakefield Trinity : Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:21 pm  

Shabino wrote:

I think Olpherts will be very useful this year, IF the online and game day abuse by fans stops. Had a complete loss of confidence last year, not helped by fans imho. How about getting behind him and being supportive? Is a quick, powerful 3/4 and useful. Much more raw ability that Kershaw for example….

I attended most of the games last year and I don't recall any game day abuse beyond the despairing groans most fans make on the back of continued clangers. Can't speak for the online stuff as I stay away from it. What I will say is that the answer to all this lies with the player. If he: - A) Attempts to compete for high kicks and doesn't leave for teammates B) Cuts out the lateral running in yardage carries C) Cuts out the litany of dropped ball both in contact and out of it - he'll be a much more popular player. He's been told that the club "want to move in a different direction" at the end of his contract so it's really up to him to put it right this year in terms of looking after his own future. I'm sure there is a better version of Olpherts than we saw last year because there couldn't be a worse one. Not sure of the 2024 vintage on the evidence of Boxing Day - two fairly simple finishes v one appalling pass across the face of his own posts that could have easily cost a try and turned the game in Wakeys favour. He'll get my full support when and if he plays, but it will take a lot for me not to expect an error every other time he touches the ball.

Re: Boxing Day | Wakefield Trinity : Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:17 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

I attended most of the games last year and I don't recall any game day abuse beyond the despairing groans most fans make on the back of continued clangers. Can't speak for the online stuff as I stay away from it. What I will say is that the answer to all this lies with the player. If he: - A) Attempts to compete for high kicks and doesn't leave for teammates B) Cuts out the lateral running in yardage carries C) Cuts out the litany of dropped ball both in contact and out of it - he'll be a much more popular player. He's been told that the club "want to move in a different direction" at the end of his contract so it's really up to him to put it right this year in terms of looking after his own future. I'm sure there is a better version of Olpherts than we saw last year because there couldn't be a worse one. Not sure of the 2024 vintage on the evidence of Boxing Day - two fairly simple finishes v one appalling pass across the face of his own posts that could have easily cost a try and turned the game in Wakeys favour. He'll get my full support when and if he plays, but it will take a lot for me not to expect an error every other time he touches the ball.

This seems to be the standard aimed at Olpherts yet the same could be applied to Fusitua who is on 3x the money but to most on here seems to be bomb proof.

Re: Boxing Day | Wakefield Trinity : Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:24 pm  

Fusitu’a makes nothing like the number of mistakes that Olpherts does, and rarely when under no pressure. I’d prefer to see the kids play than Olpherts, they would benefit from the game time.

Re: Boxing Day | Wakefield Trinity : Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:44 pm  

I think most peoples issue with Olpherts is when things went wrong for him last year instead of going forward he started to shy away from the high ball etc.

To compare him to Fusitua is laughable. Fusitua has his issues (namely his injury record) but is solid or more under both the high ball and coming out of yardage.

Re: Boxing Day | Wakefield Trinity : Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:57 pm  

RAPIDO wrote:

This seems to be the standard aimed at Olpherts yet the same could be applied to Fusitua who is on 3x the money but to most on here seems to be bomb proof.

That's a very lazy comparison, in my opinion. They are poles apart in terms of ability.

Re: Boxing Day | Wakefield Trinity : Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:13 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

That's a very lazy comparison, in my opinion. They are poles apart in terms of ability.

Don’t agree with that……

Re: Boxing Day | Wakefield Trinity : Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:40 pm  

Shabino wrote:

Don’t agree with that……

Respectably Shabs, that's BS. If you're putting olpherts anywhere near fusitua on ability you need to give your head a massive shake.