Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:17 am  

Weather permitting, I reckon the majority will be finished come the end of March. Seriously looking forward to the North Stand taking shape over the coming months.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:58 am  

should be some good images and updates in next week or so

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:11 pm  

lionarmour87 wrote:

yes it will be crack crack for the builders from now on . I wonder if there is a time penalty clause on the job ?

Penalty clauses are illegal. Technically they are 'Liquidated & Ascertained Damages' clauses. They are pre-determined damages set at the time that a contract is entered into, based on a calculation of the actual loss the client is likely to incur if the contractor fails to meet the completion date. They might include, rent on temporary accommodation, removal costs, extra running costs, and so on.

I would be amazed if someone as astute as GH or Caddick didn't include them, though if Caddick are doing the work it would be an interesting discussion at board level.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:44 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Penalty clauses are illegal. Technically they are 'Liquidated & Ascertained Damages' clauses. They are pre-determined damages set at the time that a contract is entered into, based on a calculation of the actual loss the client is likely to incur if the contractor fails to meet the completion date. They might include, rent on temporary accommodation, removal costs, extra running costs, and so on.

I would be amazed if someone as astute as GH or Caddick didn't include them, though if Caddick are doing the work it would be an interesting discussion at board level.

how long have they been illegal? I once worked on a dormitory block at Carnegie college it had a penalty clause and we earned what was good money at that time .It was many years ago

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:58 pm  

lionarmour87 wrote:

how long have they been illegal? I once worked on a dormitory block at Carnegie college it had a penalty clause and we earned what was good money at that time .It was many years ago

As long as I have known, which is too long. People inside & outside the industry often refer to them as penalty clauses. It doesn't really matter what they are referred to. What courts would do is look at whether at the time the contract was entered into, the level of liquidated damages reflected the parties' genuine pre-estimate of losses likely to be suffered in the event of a breach of contract. If so, the clause would be enforceable. If not, the damages would be viewed as a penalty and the clause would be unenforceable.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:13 pm  

tigertot wrote:

As long as I have known, which is too long. People inside & outside the industry often refer to them as penalty clauses. It doesn't really matter what they are referred to. What courts would do is look at whether at the time the contract was entered into, the level of liquidated damages reflected the parties' genuine pre-estimate of losses likely to be suffered in the event of a breach of contract. If so, the clause would be enforceable. If not, the damages would be viewed as a penalty and the clause would be unenforceable.

this was Carnegie College it had to be painted while the students were away on their Christmas break 1968 . As I remember it was twenty five pounds a day if the contract went beyond its time . They paid us some good money to get it done.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:48 pm  

With it being Caddick building it, I doubt they'll be any monetary clauses, just the project manager might feel a bit of pressure

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:55 pm  

lionarmour87 wrote:

this was Carnegie College it had to be painted while the students were away on their Christmas break 1968 . As I remember it was twenty five pounds a day if the contract went beyond its time . They paid us some good money to get it done.

That sounds completely feasible. Damages for late student accommodation is usually a frightening amount. If the accommodation is late you could be into £200 a week per student x 1,000 beds, plus transport costs, professional fees etc., to put them up elsewhere. What you might be talking about is acceleration costs, either paid by the client to the main contractor or, more probably, main contractor to sub-contractor, to avoid having to pay damages for late delivery.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:59 pm  

lionarmour87 wrote:

yes it will be crack crack for the builders from now on . I wonder if there is a time penalty clause on the job ?

They have now applied for extended working hours on the Saturday beyond the morning only working allowed up to now so it sounds like they are feeling the time pressure already.

[Frosties.]

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:15 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

They have now applied for extended working hours on the Saturday beyond the morning only working allowed up to now so it sounds like they are feeling the time pressure already.

There has only been one Saturday morning where I have seen them working via the cameras of course. Personally wouldn’t be surprised if it gets extended.