Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:54 pm  

Another indicator that Bailey's ability to win a collision and break a tackle, just like his go forward in general, is well below average

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:17 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Ryan Bailey's 9 tries for Leeds:

13/03/2004 ..... CC ..... St Helens ..... Knowsley Road ..... Appearance Number 36
08/10/2004 ..... PO ..... Wigan ..... Headingley ..... Appearance Number 60
07/08/2005 ..... SL ..... Leigh ..... Hilton Park ..... Appearance Number 85
07/08/2005 ..... SL ..... Leigh ..... Hilton Park ..... Appearance Number 85
05/03/2006 ..... SL ..... Castleford ..... Headingley ..... Appearance Number 96
26/05/2006 ..... SL ..... Bradford ..... Odsal ..... Appearance Number 108
16/02/2007 ..... SL ..... Hull ..... Headingley ..... Appearance Number 124
16/03/2007 ..... SL ..... Wakefield ..... Belle Vue ..... Appearance Number 128
20/07/2007 ..... SL ..... Wakefield ..... Headingley ..... Appearance Number 144

That was 89 Bailey appearances ago which represents his longest wait to add to his tally.

2004 was clearly his best season as reflected in his international call up's that year, but nothing worthy of mention ever since.

He's a player who sadly never kicked on, instead being content with being just an average SL player.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:11 pm  

Andy Wilson says on twitter that Ben Cross could be at widnes next season and maybe on a short term deal at WIGAN !! yes thats right Wigan this season to bolster there pack for the run in !!!!!!!!!!!!.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:16 pm  

rhinogonemad wrote:

Andy Wilson says on twitter that Ben Cross could be at widnes next season and maybe on a short term deal at WIGAN !! yes thats right Wigan this season to bolster there pack for the run in !!!!!!!!!!!!.

Maybe its because they've got a forward thinking coach who 'knows his onions' when it comes to the NRL and knows the player and what he can/could bring to his team given the chance.

Lets face it his last 2 games for us were full of promise and then our master technician decides he's then surplus to requirements.

In those 2 games Cross was bringing more with his performances than Hauraki had shown at that stage.

Hauraki gets given another chance and these last 3 games or so he's done very well IMO.

I wonder why Cross never got his second chance and how peoples opinions of him might have been different now had he got his second chance and built from the promise of his last 2 performances.

I still think given luck with injuries and a fair chance that Cross could prove to be a useful super league prop

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:35 am  

Whats the betting he will be one of the better performers for the pies if he goes there, always a fan of cross but did not get much time to settle in or get a good run in team IMO

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:06 am  

Some coaches can get players to exceed themselves some coaches turn good players to crud.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:17 am  

DHM wrote:

Some coaches can get players to exceed themselves some coaches turn good players to crud.

Giving them a run would surely be a start?

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:26 am  

Cross going to another SL side and performing well would be pretty damning as far as BMD is concerned in my opinion.

I think you need a well respected coach at a big club like Leeds with the experienced and successful players it has - BMD did not really arrive with anything to suggest he is a respected coach.

From his quotes and interviews, I sometimes wonder if he's watching the same sport as me and it certainly doesn't instill confidence.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:34 am  

Guerrier wrote:

No need for the sarcasm was there really? I just can't see Gary Hetherington releasing them from the payroll, freeing up the cap space and then not using it. He's too shrewd an operator for that.

It wasn't really sarcasm aimed at you, more at the general situation with regard to mid-season signings. No offence was intended good sir.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:36 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

I think you need a well respected coach at a big club like Leeds with the experienced and successful players it has - BMD did not really arrive with anything to suggest he is a respected coach.

From his quotes and interviews, I sometimes wonder if he's watching the same sport as me and it certainly doesn't instill confidence.

You need to look at those two sentences in isolation.

BMD did arrive at Leeds as a respected coach to the majority of the players. He was regarded as vitally important to the success we achieved under Smith and was well liked by the players. So in that respect he arrived with respect. But to the players who had been there previously.

Your second sentence at the same time holds a lot of validity. Things change, and people change.