Re: WCC18 | Melbourne Storm v Leeds Rhinos : Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:38 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

It is a good job Melbourne didn't have a full strength side out - if both sides were at full strength do you think the result would have been closer?

Yeah, most definitely. The pack lays the platform

Re: WCC18 | Melbourne Storm v Leeds Rhinos : Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:32 pm  

Leeds were missing two forwards Garbutt and Mullally even if Galloway was fit it is unlikely he would play ahead of Cuthbertson, Darbutt, Singleton and Mullally and Ferres would never get in ahead of Ward, JJB and Ablett. If Melbourne had played Kasiano and Kaufusi they would added as much as Garbutt and Mullally. The idea that Mullally/Ferres etc. would have had a big influence on the game is grasping at straws IMO. Yes Leeds lost Walker but Melbourne also lost Slater and even at this stage of his career Slater is still in a different world to Walker as a player.

Leeds will not be far off winning the GF this year but the gulf in class between the 2 competitions should not be ignored.

Re: WCC18 | Melbourne Storm v Leeds Rhinos : Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:59 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Leeds were missing two forwards Garbutt and Mullally even if Galloway was fit it is unlikely he would play ahead of Cuthbertson, Darbutt, Singleton and Mullally and Ferres would never get in ahead of Ward, JJB and Ablett. If Melbourne had played Kasiano and Kaufusi they would added as much as Garbutt and Mullally. The idea that Mullally/Ferres etc. would have had a big influence on the game is grasping at straws IMO. Yes Leeds lost Walker but Melbourne also lost Slater and even at this stage of his career Slater is still in a different world to Walker as a player.

Leeds will not be far off winning the GF this year but the gulf in class between the 2 competitions should not be ignored.

Kasiano? The 3 good games a season lummox? He's another Mase Masoe looks like tarzen plays like jane & i've been watching him for years.
Absolutely Garbutt & Mullally would make a difference maybe not to the result but our efforts 100%.

Re: WCC18 | Melbourne Storm v Leeds Rhinos : Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:23 pm  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

Kasiano? The 3 good games a season lummox? He's another Mase Masoe looks like tarzen plays like jane & i've been watching him for years.
Absolutely Garbutt & Mullally would make a difference maybe not to the result but our efforts 100%.

"Maybe not the result"

Of course having two mediocre props in Garbutt and Mullally on wouldn't have turned around a 7 tries to 1 victory against a far more talented, and drilled outfit in Melbourne.

You're more delusional than Mcdermott who in his post game interview said gives his players 8-10 games and they would be at Melbourne level.

The difference between the competitions is night and day, its like the gulf between super league teams, and championship.

Re: WCC18 | Melbourne Storm v Leeds Rhinos : Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:57 pm  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

Kasiano? The 3 good games a season lummox? He's another Mase Masoe looks like tarzen plays like jane & i've been watching him for years.
Absolutely Garbutt & Mullally would make a difference maybe not to the result but our efforts 100%.

Kasiano at the Storm will be a different player - if he isn't he wont be there long.

The idea that two very average players would have made such a massive difference against the best club side in the world defies any kind of logic. It also suggets that the only side that could have improved its performance was Leeds - again grasping at straws is duly noted

Re: WCC18 | Melbourne Storm v Leeds Rhinos : Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:18 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Leeds were missing two forwards Garbutt and Mullally even if Galloway was fit it is unlikely he would play ahead of Cuthbertson, Darbutt, Singleton and Mullally and Ferres would never get in ahead of Ward, JJB and Ablett. If Melbourne had played Kasiano and Kaufusi they would added as much as Garbutt and Mullally. The idea that Mullally/Ferres etc. would have had a big influence on the game is grasping at straws IMO. Yes Leeds lost Walker but Melbourne also lost Slater and even at this stage of his career Slater is still in a different world to Walker as a player.

Leeds will not be far off winning the GF this year but the gulf in class between the 2 competitions should not be ignored.

Galloway probably wouldn't get in if Garbutt and Mullally were fit, but he and Peteru would both be ahead in the pecking order of what we ended up having on the bench

These players missing probably wouldn't have a big influence in terms of anything special ball in hand but it's about sharing the workload in the forwards and working as a unit. The likes of Cuthbertson could've done more had he had some bigger and better teammates in the prop position. Not every player in a 17 is there to do something special, some are there to do a role that allows others to be match winners.

By the time Melbourne lost Slater at HT the damage had already been done.

Re: WCC18 | Melbourne Storm v Leeds Rhinos : Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:06 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

Galloway probably wouldn't get in if Garbutt and Mullally were fit, but he and Peteru would both be ahead in the pecking order of what we ended up having on the bench

These players missing probably wouldn't have a big influence in terms of anything special ball in hand but it's about sharing the workload in the forwards and working as a unit. The likes of Cuthbertson could've done more had he had some bigger and better teammates in the prop position. Not every player in a 17 is there to do something special, some are there to do a role that allows others to be match winners.

By the time Melbourne lost Slater at HT
the damage had already been done.

And I don't see anybody saying that Leeds would have won, or denying the size of the gap between NRL and SL, but to say Leeds missing players wouldn't have made any difference is ridiculous and sensationalist.

Printer put it very well - there were some of our better players absolutely gassed from having to do the majority of the graft. Cuthbo, Watkins, Hall, Briscoe, Singo, JJB, Sutcliffe appeared to do a ton of donkey work. With some more able back up forwards, this wouldn't have been so much of a necessity. Melbourne would still have won, comfortably, but we'd have been in the contest for longer. Our 20 mins good spell at the beginning of the game showed we could hang with them, but we tired, and they were efficient, effective and ruthless, as Melbourne always are. They'll beat a number of NRL sides more convincingly throughout the season, that I guarantee. Doesn't alter the fact that NRL is lightyears ahead of SL, but the lads did themselves proud. And put them in the NRL, with the benefit of getting used to being happy required to play high intensity and quality week on week and they'd hold their own - they'd get spanked some weeks, but they'd compete most weeks. There's probably only 3 or 4 teams in SL at best that could do that - the majority would Ben slaughtered week in, week out.

Re: WCC18 | Melbourne Storm v Leeds Rhinos : Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:15 pm  

Superted wrote:

And I don't see anybody saying that Leeds would have won, or denying the size of the gap between NRL and SL, but to say Leeds missing players wouldn't have made any difference is ridiculous and sensationalist.

Printer put it very well - there were some of our better players absolutely gassed from having to do the majority of the graft. Cuthbo, Watkins, Hall, Briscoe, Singo, JJB, Sutcliffe appeared to do a ton of donkey work. With some more able back up forwards, this wouldn't have been so much of a necessity. Melbourne would still have won, comfortably, but we'd have been in the contest for longer. Our 20 mins good spell at the beginning of the game showed we could hang with them, but we tired, and they were efficient, effective and ruthless, as Melbourne always are. They'll beat a number of NRL sides more convincingly throughout the season, that I guarantee. Doesn't alter the fact that NRL is lightyears ahead of SL, but the lads did themselves proud. And put them in the NRL, with the benefit of getting used to being happy required to play high intensity and quality week on week and they'd hold their own - they'd get spanked some weeks, but they'd compete most weeks. There's probably only 3 or 4 teams in SL at best that could do that - the majority would Ben slaughtered week in, week out.

A very good summary of the game Superted

Re: WCC18 | Melbourne Storm v Leeds Rhinos : Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:53 am  

It's very difficult to be critical of Leeds in my opinion. A depleted team, under some unfamiliar rules, against a team that are way better than most NRL teams - let alone SL teams. Yet we made sure they knew they had been in a game. McDermott is right - given a similar salary cap & playing a similar number of games per season as an NRL team - SL teams would easily compete.

What a truly memorable experience, could do without 21 hours in the air to get home though!

Re: WCC18 | Melbourne Storm v Leeds Rhinos : Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:24 am  

Quickening wrote:

"Maybe not the result"

Of course having two mediocre props in Garbutt and Mullally on wouldn't have turned around a 7 tries to 1 victory against a far more talented, and drilled outfit in Melbourne.

You're more delusional than Mcdermott who in his post game interview said gives his players 8-10 games and they would be at Melbourne level.

The difference between the competitions is night and day, its like the gulf between super league teams, and championship.

Congrats on completely missing the point & not understanding how having 2 extra first choice props would have improved our efforts not only in performance but sharing the workload.