A new lease of life outside Cas : Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:26 am  

In following on from Saturdays game there is a lot of talk and comment about players such as Hepworth and Saxton and what they would bring to the Cas side now, having formerly been at Cas.

I'm also hearing comments about Greg Eden setting the world alight and 'why on earth did we let him go??'. Leigh fans are singing the praises of Brierley, and Cas must be stupid not to be playing him themselves.

Why do some players get a second lease of life outside Cas. What on earth is it that we do to them that stifles their enthusiasm and talent?

IMO, even Rangi is slipping backwards and not nearly making as many breaks as he did when he first joined. I'm sure that some will reply and say that it's because other teams are now much more aware of him and close him down etc. Yes, I don't disagree completely...however teams are aware of Tomkins, Roby, McGuire, Burrow and many others, however they seem to be breaking the opposition line often enough.


Rant over!!

Re: A new lease of life outside Cas : Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:34 am  

Rangi can't play well every week and didn't on Saturday. He's still one of the best players in the league. more assists then anyone by a long way. Not helped by the fact that danny orr's been pretty inconsistent this season too. But because he "tries" hard, Cas fans are quick to shy away from criticising Danny.

Re: A new lease of life outside Cas : Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:36 am  

the_grobs wrote:

IMO, even Rangi is slipping backwards and not nearly making as many breaks as he did when he first joined. I'm sure that some will reply and say that it's because other teams are now much more aware of him and close him down etc. Yes, I don't disagree completely...however teams are aware of Tomkins, Roby, McGuire, Burrow and many others, however they seem to be breaking the opposition line often enough.

Tomkins has Leulaui and Finch
Roby has Lomax and Hoaia
Burrow has Sinfield and Maguire
Maguire has Sinfield and Burrow

Chase has Orr and McGoldrick

It's pretty clear to see why teams are aware of Chase and are able to stifle our attacking threat compared to Wigan, Saints and Leeds. It's because we have no other credible threats. For example, if you focus on shutting out Sam Tomkins, you are just giving more space to Wigan's other playmakers who will punish you on their own. If a team shuts out Chase, it's left to Orr or <gulp> McGoldrick who simply cannot unlock Super League defences with the same magic.

Re: A new lease of life outside Cas : Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:51 am  

Gazemous wrote:

Tomkins has Leulaui and Finch
Roby has Lomax and Hoaia
Burrow has Sinfield and Maguire
Maguire has Sinfield and Burrow

Chase has Orr and McGoldrick

It's pretty clear to see why teams are aware of Chase and are able to stifle our attacking threat compared to Wigan, Saints and Leeds. It's because we have no other credible threats. For example, if you focus on shutting out Sam Tomkins, you are just giving more space to Wigan's other playmakers who will punish you on their own. If a team shuts out Chase, it's left to Orr or <gulp> McGoldrick who simply cannot unlock Super League defences with the same magic.

Completely agree with that

Eden was never given a chance at Cas, we offered him a 2 year deal and so did Huddersfield, he went there because they have more chance of actually winning something than us. Plus they probably offered him a bit more money as well.

I don't think sidewards Tommy or Hepworth would offer us anything different to what we already have. Heppy played well against a poor SL side who clearly didn't turn up after the first 10mins of Saturday's game. Against stronger opposition I feel he wouldn't have got anywhere near what he achived Saturday.

We play the same move week in week out for each set that we have, Fev noticed that and if we can't fool a championship side (albeit a very good one) then what chance to we have of competing against the likes of Wigan, Leeds and Huddersfield. Even the fans know the exact move we're going to pull off in each run of the ball.

We need some fresh ideas and quickly, especially with being away at Wire this weekend!!

Re: A new lease of life outside Cas : Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:18 am  

casman2 wrote:

We need some fresh ideas and quickly, especially with being away at Wire this weekend!!

How about bringing Brierley back and playing him instead of McGoldrick? He would provide another attacking dimension. He has pace, a good step, a good kicking game and fitness.

Re: A new lease of life outside Cas : Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:51 am  

Gazemous wrote:

Tomkins has Leulaui and Finch
Roby has Lomax and Hoaia
Burrow has Sinfield and Maguire
Maguire has Sinfield and Burrow

Chase has Orr and McGoldrick

It's pretty clear to see why teams are aware of Chase and are able to stifle our attacking threat compared to Wigan, Saints and Leeds. It's because we have no other credible threats. For example, if you focus on shutting out Sam Tomkins, you are just giving more space to Wigan's other playmakers who will punish you on their own. If a team shuts out Chase, it's left to Orr or <gulp> McGoldrick who simply cannot unlock Super League defences with the same magic.

That penny has long dropped for some of us but for others it needs to be a dustbin lid. If we lose Chase we'll struggle to score, let alone win, again.

Re: A new lease of life outside Cas : Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:40 pm  

Towns88 wrote:

Rangi can't play well every week and didn't on Saturday. He's still one of the best players in the league. more assists then anyone by a long way. Not helped by the fact that danny orr's been pretty inconsistent this season too. But because he "tries" hard, Cas fans are quick to shy away from criticising Danny.

Only having Rangi as a play maker are exactly the reason his stats are boosted. For us everything has to go through him, where as for other teams the work load can be spread.

Another player I forgot to mention in the original post....Blanch!

Re: A new lease of life outside Cas : Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:14 pm  

the_grobs wrote:

Another player I forgot to mention in the original post....Blanch!

Not to mention Luke Robinson!

Re: A new lease of life outside Cas : Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:17 pm  

Didn't Liam Watts knock at Cas' door only to be told he wasn't good enough for Superleague?

Willie Manu, was ok at Cas, but he's been great at Hull.

Re: A new lease of life outside Cas : Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:25 pm  

I was sad to see Manu go, but as I remember, I think he only left when we were relegated otherwise I think he would have stayed. A real talented player who added some meat to our pack.