the more i look in to it, me thinks that if either, tony smith or nathan brown coached cas, they would get more out of the team than what terry does. i think the only game that we have really looked dominant to call owt was the final v widnes at headingley, and that was engineered by danny brough and guttenbeil. there has been numerous occasions, when games have been there to be won and we have blown em, even david woods seemed to have a lot more fire and passion about him and got crapped on.

It is who has the most money wins. Cas have done great in recent months, look at the talent coming through, that needs to be matched with top class transfers, which needs money, we aint got that. Cas are doing well stop moaning.

all the games we have had a chance of winning aint all being down to not having money, a lot of em have been down to tactics, motivation, etc, not moaning old lad, just saying what i think.

I've often thought the same. The final against Widnes is one of the best structurally played games that I've seen Cas play in recent years. I have nothing personal against TM and I wish him all the best for the future, however I would welcome the idea of a new head coach for 2012.

In fact I'd happily call a taxi for Richard 'I hope the fans can't see that this announcment is BS' Wright as well!

considering only perhaps wakey, quins and crusaders spend less than us in the league i think terry does pretty well with what he has got and has done a good job of bringing the kids through (arundel, clarke, boyle, westerman, walker, milner, thompson, holmes and owen have all come through under terry while huby and shenton have improved themselves alot under him). I think one day tm will be a head coach for a team that can spend full cap and when he does he will win a trophy.

Except that it's other coaches who made the above players who they are not Terry

I admit T.M hasn't got the easiest job at Cas in regards to finances,but i think sometimes he is slow to react to events happening on the field in regards to substitutions or change of tactics.

His hands are tied regarding any financial involvement. Thats how he has kept his job by towing the line. he has done a good job and hasnt rocked the boat, he never made any excuses when we have had bad dips in form.

But how much of that is REALLY down to TM though? No doubt he guides them when they do break through to the first team but the actual recruitment and early development must be more down to the scouts and youth team set up?
I mean I may be wrong (I honestly don't know if it is the case or not) but does he really go down to games at Panthers U-15s or Normy Knights or wherever to look at these players? And as for Huby, Shenton, etc is a major part of that not just them maturing as genuinely talented players?

How surprising, a few defeats and now people are calling for TM to go.

Position when TM came: bottom of SL, a patchwork team largely made of foreigners and journeymen
Position now: 6th, a team largely made of exciting youngsters

That says everything that needs to be said. When we start to stagnate or move backwards I'll complain, but at the moment we're on the up, TM's job isn't finished yet.

Coaching at this level is different from the level of coaching most of us who post on here will have experienced.

Terry has a difficult job, when you have nothing, like Wakey I guess at the moment, coaching is easy, it is back to the wall and seige mentality. When you have an abundance of talent, Warrington, Wigan, Huddersfield, Saints, it becomes about player management and when to chnage people and you have a luxury of playing 1 or 2 juniors in a side that essentially is world class.

We're in a middle phase and everything is about our continuity and development. If, at the end of this season we finish 6th for arguments sake - not easy or a given. But that is development and like this year we attracted Isa, Mathers and Youngquest in the off season - if we add 3 or 4 of that quality again and you consider Arundel, Clarke, Milner, Owen (rehab year), Walker will have more experience and quality about them, then you develop.
OR! we dont capture the positivity and develop, slip to 10th, then you start to look at perhaps 1 or 2 of those being tempted away, the signings you attract are not the same quality and you cement your place in mediocrity.

In my view, this discussion is a pointless one at this time of the season from outside the playing squad. most of the things I see and when I see our players they are buzzing and there seems to be something about this group that hasn't been there for a while..... Socially I do think Mathers and Youngquest seem to bring a lot to that and Widders; the positivity and belief is what we need to protect.

Here ends philosophical wafflings about management and achievement - in short - Judge TM on a 6th place finish at the end of the season...... That is all!

Well said, with good clear logic.

We often don't give enough praise to those actually bringing the youngsters through from young ages (often voluntary aswell

). They would be well worthy of a mention over the tannoy at our every home game. TM is perhaps just involved in putting the 'icing on the cake', where as the key foundations have already been laid by others. The question then is....is TM the right man to mentor and make a finished article out of the young ones? As per the original post, would Tony Smith or Nathan Brown do a better job?