Re: TO MERGE OR NOT TO MERGE THAT IS THE QUESTION. : Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:54 am  

madogg wrote:

shame moving to the kc hasnt brought u any success u parasite go away u div

Maddog hi,

This parasite has the future of RL at heart. RL in your area.

The point is that survival has to come before trophies, and then the trophies will come. For us as well as you.

Yes we had trophies at the Boulevard just as you had, but it would not have given us survival. Our move to the KC has given us that. and thats what you 3 need - but together - to sustain it.
Compared to our heady days of the eighties your probably right the KC hasn't brought us success. but we have had 2 Challenge cup Finals and a Grand Final so its not been all bad, and we are disappointed and expect more to come.
And we will have those days again and we will have success, purely because we survived.
Its easy to devalue that which you have today. But unless you do the right thing today you may not have it tomorrow.
I wouldn't take survival for granted. How you measure Hull FC success is the least of your probs at the mo. I would focus on doing whatever it takes to keep top line RL alive in the Calder region.

Its a hard pill to swallow but their just may not be a future for 3 clubs in so tight an area in this day and age. Wakefield are making a break for survival and rightly so, as they are trying to keep the survival cards in their own hands and if Newarket goes ahead it will increasingly reflect badly on Cas and Fev in so many ways.
If Newmarket does not go ahead for whatever reason then, You 3 need to get your heads together pronto, drop the baggage and the hatchets and create something special out of the 3 of you for the good of one area. Forget holding onto names start afresh, you can't concoct a name out out 3 club names.
If you have a vision you can have a future.

Re: TO MERGE OR NOT TO MERGE THAT IS THE QUESTION. : Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:05 am  

waltontiger wrote:

Cas forever, Merger Never!

I still have the programme and sticker from the Easter weekend both Fev and Wakey games when we first said No to the poison dwarf and the RFL.
All these fans however well placed their intentions ask yourself one question...
We all have bitter enemies for opposition, would you gladly merge with yours?
Or would you nail your colours to your clubs mast in whatever guise it is?

Walton. holding on to a sticker will not help you. You may still have your sticker in 20 years time. i'm sure there are Bramley supporters with stickers too if you get my drift. Dont take that the wrong way by the way.

Nailing your colours to the mast is not smart if there isnt a future. sometimes you need to change to survive. You could be something bigger and bright and strong or you could be a dinosaur.

You need a cause Walton. Rhetoric is fine but it has to have a direction and it has to give you a chance.

Good Luck with it.

Re: TO MERGE OR NOT TO MERGE THAT IS THE QUESTION. : Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:35 pm  

wakefield castleford and featherston[quote][/quote]e are there own clubs with there own history and futures i wud rather go down a league than merge whys it so important to you that we merge u div

Re: TO MERGE OR NOT TO MERGE THAT IS THE QUESTION. : Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:58 pm  

not read all the posts but why dont cas stay where they are and knock down and re construct a stand at a time as kr have just done?

Re: TO MERGE OR NOT TO MERGE THAT IS THE QUESTION. : Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:27 pm  

Uppo58 I appreciate your considered response but my point remains that using your argument that a merger would make for a stronger club in the Calder region is equally valid for a merger between Hull & HKR making for a stronger club in Humberside, an argument as it happens put forward on SL Backchat last week. The fact is that you don't want Hull & HKR to merge even though you might then have a club capable of challenging the Wigan/leeds dominance of RL. Its Rugby League Nimbyism, so I'll do you a deal- keep quiet about my club merging with our rivals and I'll do the same for you.

Re: TO MERGE OR NOT TO MERGE THAT IS THE QUESTION. : Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:16 pm  

I hate the fact that the area keeps being referred to as "Calder Valley" or "Calder region/area" do people know where the Calder runs?
You are aware it runs through Halifax and Dewsbury aren't you, are you suggesting they join forces along with Wakey Fev & Cas?
Best thing for RL is for all these teams to have their own identity and rivalry as this generates stronger teams, and then Leeds & Hull can come in and pick off the best of the crop

Re: TO MERGE OR NOT TO MERGE THAT IS THE QUESTION. : Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:17 pm  

Uppo58 wrote:

Walton. holding on to a sticker will not help you. You may still have your sticker in 20 years time. i'm sure there are Bramley supporters with stickers too if you get my drift. Dont take that the wrong way by the way.

Nailing your colours to the mast is not smart if there isnt a future. sometimes you need to change to survive. You could be something bigger and bright and strong or you could be a dinosaur.

You need a cause Walton. Rhetoric is fine but it has to have a direction and it has to give you a chance.



Good Luck with it.

So I take it you would not wish to merge with KR, and far from attaching any emotion to your choice of sporting clubs to support, follow teams until they expend their usefulness to you then drop them like the proverbial potato.
I on the other hand follow Cas...not Calder.
I will also look upon my sticker with the memories that I was there fighting for my clubs identity and not just walking blindly to some meaningless RL conglomerate...like Hull and Gateshead just for the money.

Re: TO MERGE OR NOT TO MERGE THAT IS THE QUESTION. : Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:34 am  

waltontiger wrote:

So I take it you would not wish to merge with KR, and far from attaching any emotion to your choice of sporting clubs to support, follow teams until they expend their usefulness to you then drop them like the proverbial potato.
I on the other hand follow Cas...not Calder.
I will also look upon my sticker with the memories that I was there fighting for my clubs identity and not just walking blindly to some meaningless RL conglomerate...like Hull and Gateshead just for the money.

Well said that man!
Maybe now is the time that Wakey and Cas fans forget the petty arguments regarding going North, throwing abuse at each other and join in a common goal of negating all talk of mergers!!

Re: TO MERGE OR NOT TO MERGE THAT IS THE QUESTION. : Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:44 am  

Uppo58 wrote:

Maddog hi,

This parasite has the future of RL at heart. RL in your area.

The point is that survival has to come before trophies, and then the trophies will come. For us as well as you.

Yes we had trophies at the Boulevard just as you had, but it would not have given us survival. Our move to the KC has given us that. and thats what you 3 need - but together - to sustain it.
Compared to our heady days of the eighties your probably right the KC hasn't brought us success. but we have had 2 Challenge cup Finals and a Grand Final so its not been all bad, and we are disappointed and expect more to come.
And we will have those days again and we will have success, purely because we survived.
Its easy to devalue that which you have today. But unless you do the right thing today you may not have it tomorrow.
I wouldn't take survival for granted. How you measure Hull FC success is the least of your probs at the mo. I would focus on doing whatever it takes to keep top line RL alive in the Calder region.

Its a hard pill to swallow but their just may not be a future for 3 clubs in so tight an area in this day and age. Wakefield are making a break for survival and rightly so, as they are trying to keep the survival cards in their own hands and if Newarket goes ahead it will increasingly reflect badly on Cas and Fev in so many ways.
If Newmarket does not go ahead for whatever reason then, You 3 need to get your heads together pronto, drop the baggage and the hatchets and create something special out of the 3 of you for the good of one area. Forget holding onto names start afresh, you can't concoct a name out out 3 club names.
If you have a vision you can have a future.

If you think merger is such a good idea, why didn't you merge with KR instead of Gateshead.
With 1 club in Hull, you'd be onto a sure fire winner

Re: TO MERGE OR NOT TO MERGE THAT IS THE QUESTION. : Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:48 am  

Think Uppo58 does make a lot of good points and in a very eloquent way, but his ideology is totally funked!