Re: Cas announce ground share!! : Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:06 pm  

vastman wrote:

Still peddling the same big lie Alf - get over yourself and try not to look dumber than you already do.

The Councils only monetary involvement was the putting up security - a piece of council land worth 2 million to cover any risk being taken by the developerGrow up mate, grow up

Vasty, I like to think I don't tell lies, I may make mistakes , but we all do.

The Community Trust asked WMDC for a loan of £150,000 to cover "Design Fees" The Coucil turned them down. In December 2009 theCouncil's Chief executive took the decision that WMDC would act asguarantee for a loan of £150,000 from the Co Op Bank to the Trust. This was ratified by the Council in January 2011. After consulting with Councillor D Jeffrey on 10th May 2011 The Director of Finance and Property took the Officer Delegated Decision on 12th May 2011 to settle the Council's liability with regard to the Loan Guarantee provided to the Co Op Bank.

Unless the Council have kept/are keeping back a bit of land at Springfield Grange to take account of the above then I do believe the ratepayers have paid the £150,000 "Design Fees"

Re: Cas announce ground share!! : Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:11 pm  

At the end of the day, the ratepayers foot the bill for most of what any council does.
Is this any different? Should it be judged differently?
As far as I can see the council have tried to help both clubs sort out their ground issues.

Re: Cas announce ground share!! : Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:30 pm  

thats what it is a joke, but in there eyes we are the poor relatives, telling us this that & the other, about how we cant afford to build & how we might have mist the boat in lines of sharing, but when you hit a nerve the same old thing comes out, but as i found out a few years back nobody nose what is round the corner, some off the things i post might not approve with some but mostly its just banter, but some times i read some of the posts, and it makes me made, so i put whats on my mind, but believe it or not i hope the new ground is built, and if nothing can be done on are side i hope we sell, wipe out the debts we have and share, i don't think ether club is big enough to go alone Salford & Leigh have shown that, at some time in the near future we are going to have to build, redevelop or bite the bullet and share weather it hurts or not ( the post above was in reply to redwiteandblue)

Re: Cas announce ground share!! : Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:40 pm  

frank5613 wrote:

thats what it is a joke, but in there eyes we are the poor relatives, telling us this that & the other, about how we cant afford to build & how we might have mist the boat in lines of sharing, but when you hit a nerve the same old thing comes out, but as i found out a few years back nobody nose what is round the corner, some off the things i post might not approve with some but mostly its just banter, but some times i read some of the posts, and it makes me made, so i put whats on my mind, but believe it or not i hope the new ground is built, and if nothing can be done on are side i hope we sell, wipe out the debts we have and share, i don't think ether club is big enough to go alone Salford & Leigh have shown that, at some time in the near future we are going to have to build, redevelop or bite the bullet and share weather it hurts or not ( the post above was in reply to redwiteandblue)

Wow!! That really is a special post!!!

Re: Cas announce ground share!! : Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:39 am  

bigalf wrote:

Unless the Council have kept/are keeping back a bit of land at Springfield Grange to take account of the above then I do believe the ratepayers have paid the £150,000 "Design Fees"

Even if that proves to be the case, it's a bargain considering the sports facilities the district will get in return.

I really don't get which part of the 'Community' aspect some people find so hard to understand - WMDC are not building a new stadium for WTW, nor are WTW building one for themselves - the developer is building a multi-sport facility, propped up by some grant funding, and a Community Trust will take ownership; WTW will be the anchor tenant, but other sports teams will benefit, including a roundball club and community sports teams of all sorts of persuasions.

Given that we're facing a national obesity crisis that could bring down the NHS, and Wakefield's unenviable position of having some of the worst community sports facilities in the country, I would have thought that even the most intransigent Castleford fan could see that this scheme will benefit the whole district; it might therefore be a better use of your superior intellect and network of contacts to stop agitating and get behind it?

For once and probably the only time, I agree with Gronk; it's getting beyond daft.

Re: Cas announce ground share!! : Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:13 am  

I joined this site to read and share opinions on rugby league.

that's all I'm saying on this

Re: Cas announce ground share!! : Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:58 pm  

Welcome to the off-season folks!

Re: Cas announce ground share!! : Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:04 pm  

bigalf wrote:

Vasty, I like to think I don't tell lies, I may make mistakes , but we all do.

The Community Trust asked WMDC for a loan of £150,000 to cover "Design Fees" The Coucil turned them down. In December 2009 theCouncil's Chief executive took the decision that WMDC would act asguarantee for a loan of £150,000 from the Co Op Bank to the Trust. This was ratified by the Council in January 2011. After consulting with Councillor D Jeffrey on 10th May 2011 The Director of Finance and Property took the Officer Delegated Decision on 12th May 2011 to settle the Council's liability with regard to the Loan Guarantee provided to the Co Op Bank.

Unless the Council have kept/are keeping back a bit of land at Springfield Grange to take account of the above then I do believe the ratepayers have paid the £150,000 "Design Fees"

You do lie because your twisting what you claim as big issues to give a false impression.

If you say WMDC payed £150,000 to cover design fees I'll take your word for it - or better still TRB or IA could comment. I did state WMDC had made a very small investment, you'd have to be a fool to believe no money has changed hands/

If you don't think £150,000 is a proper use of rate payers money to bring a 90 million pound development with up to 2,000 jobs then I really don't know what is. WMDC Councillors and staff are elected/appointed to do the best for the district. They do not have to justify smaller sums like this - I cannot see any failure in this concern. If you can please explain why all that N/M offers is not worth some modest contributions from WMDC.

You seem intent in making this a Cas v Wakey issue when it's just a WMDC issue. I suspect you wouldn't if the boot were on the other foot

Re: Cas announce ground share!! : Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:30 pm  

vastman wrote:

If you say WMDC payed £150,000 to cover design fees I'll take your word for it

Have a word with yourself!

vastman wrote:

Some people just can't say "sorry I was wrong". You must be a lonely chap.

As we all know, and from your reply below you always like to have the last word, so feel free!

Re: Cas announce ground share!! : Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:42 pm  

bigalf wrote:

Have a word with yourself!

Yes Alf that would apply to you. You've been peddling your nonsense for years now - is it simply not time to say sorry. I mean 150k come on is that your best shot...really?