Re: When Rangi goes, who should we buy? : Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:57 am  

Tigerade wrote:

I wouldn't get any hopes up Frank. He's be announced as a Salford player on 6th September - that I am sure of. I'll be glad when its over TBH. The whole Salford media attention grabbing circus is getting a bit tedious now and its disruping a lot of clubs this season when there is still something to play for.

To be fair to Koukash, he says on the official website that announcements of signed/signing players is delayed at the wishes of their current Clubs. I'm just as fed-up as everyone else with this prolonged saga, but it seems that Salford are not the ones to blame.

Re: When Rangi goes, who should we buy? : Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:53 am  

The only thing I find distasteful about it is how Salford have targetted players already under contract. Other than that I don't blame them for anything. Salford have struck gold by landing MK as benefactor.

Re: When Rangi goes, who should we buy? : Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:41 am  

Marshy1 wrote:

Or the thug has turned you down and it gives the venerable DR time to beg someone else to join.

Apparently last night Dave Mathews CEO, DR Koukash, Brian Noble and Rangi Chase went down to Leeds to sign 2 players. One of them mentioned was Tim Smith the other I do not know.

Re: When Rangi goes, who should we buy? : Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:51 am  

Tigerade wrote:

The only thing I find distasteful about it is how Salford have targetted players already under contract. Other than that I don't blame them for anything. Salford have struck gold by landing MK as benefactor.

The thing is, if they approach a Club to ask permission to approach a player and they give permission, nobodies done anything wrong. I understand the possibility of unsettling a player but if everything is done to all parties satisfaction as these things obviously have done, I don't see a problem.

As a Salford fan we have been on the other end of it too. Where a Club is buttering-up a player soon to come off contract and that player loses focus and professionalism. Maybe nobody did anything wrong in the process of this happening but it sticks in the throats of fans who see it differently.

In the case of Chase, when it finally gets announced, the money injected into your Club should be the way that Clubs behave towards one another. I'm not a fan of 'Wealthy' Clubs trying to get something for nothing as has long been the case with Salford losing talent. If money flows between Clubs it can only strengthen the game as a whole.

Re: When Rangi goes, who should we buy? : Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:12 am  

Cas Till I Die wrote:

Don't talk like a wet fart, if we say Rangi stays he stays end of.... I'm pretty sure McDonald's contracts are easier to get out of than SL contracts He can't play for Salford in SL unless we say so.... Impossible. We hold his registration.

So your saying Luke Dorn is the best available half in world RL for 2014 ??? Rangi was on £200k a year (we are led to believe ) so we sell him and replace him with Luke Dorn .... And that's the best we can come up with ??? It's a joke and tbh has left me questioning why I spend the money I do on Cas Tigers

First paragraph: No, on base principle, they aren't. If you think a "Super League contract" (whatever that means) dictates that "a player has signed for three years therefore he must play for three years" you are outrageously off the mark. To say that Cas have "got rid" of Chase, well, frankly that's a point I don't think needs addressing.

Second paragraph: You STILL haven't named any names.... What you are failing to see is that, from the NRL, anything but the top 3/4 clubs here is a massive step down. You talk about Dorn being over the hill, fair enough, but if you expect us to get a quality half back at the peak of their career, you are outrageously off the mark once more. We can either get a "Jamie Ellis young and unproven" type, or a "Brent Sherwin milking the sport for a pension" type. Agreed, I'd rather have a young player, but Ellis has been slated for not being good enough this year when he is only 21, so the club can't win really. Unfortunately, most young NRL half-backs would rather play Toyota Cup than come to a poor SL team. The other exception would be a "Tim Smith" type, who was at his peak but couldn't get into the Cronulla team and his career was passing him by

Re: When Rangi goes, who should we buy? : Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:20 am  

DAVE@CAS1990 wrote:

Second paragraph: You STILL haven't named any names.... What you are failing to see is that, from the NRL, anything but the top 3/4 clubs here is a massive step down. You talk about Dorn being over the hill, fair enough, but if you expect us to get a quality half back at the peak of their career, you are outrageously off the mark once more. We can either get a "Jamie Ellis young and unproven" type, or a "Brent Sherwin milking the sport for a pension" type. Agreed, I'd rather have a young player, but Ellis has been slated for not being good enough this year when he is only 21, so the club can't win really. Unfortunately, most young NRL half-backs would rather play Toyota Cup than come to a poor SL team. The other exception would be a "Tim Smith" type, who was at his peak but couldn't get into the Cronulla team and his career was passing him by

I think you're spot-on here.

There simply isn't enough world-class halfbacks in either hemisphere, regardless of how much money you flash. The best option from overseas is the fringe players who struggle to break into or back into first team sides. If you can tempt them away from the other side of the world. I feel that Cas will be damned if they do, damned if they don't. You'll be unlikely to get like for like when Chase goes, but that does not mean it's the end of the world.

Re: When Rangi goes, who should we buy? : Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:33 am  

TheButcher wrote:

I think you're spot-on here.

we agree!?

....I think the best bet a lot of clubs over here have is to get players while they were young. I really like Ellis and at 21 he could become a really top half-back. OK he might not, but nobody has a crystal ball.

Like you said, to suggest we would get a like-for-like with Chase is lunacy, merely because we have his money freed up. That money could be better spent to secure the longer term future of the club, and who knows, one day we might be the ones with a big investor and that's when we can consider top players

Re: When Rangi goes, who should we buy? : Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:42 am  

DAVE@CAS1990 wrote:

we agree!?

....I think the best bet a lot of clubs over here have is to get players while they were young. I really like Ellis and at 21 he could become a really top half-back. OK he might not, but nobody has a crystal ball.

Like you said, to suggest we would get a like-for-like with Chase is lunacy, merely because we have his money freed up. That money could be better spent to secure the longer term future of the club, and who knows, one day we might be the ones with a big investor and that's when we can consider top players

It's obviously serious bromance...

Re: When Rangi goes, who should we buy? : Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:47 am  

RED LEAGUE wrote:

Apparently last night Dave Mathews CEO, DR Koukash, Brian Noble and Rangi Chase went down to Leeds to sign 2 players. One of them mentioned was Tim Smith the other I do not know.

Why would chase go to persuade a player to sign for you when you already had noble and the ceo go???? And if rumour of us havin an approach knocked back for tim smith is true then theirs no reason why you wouldnt have been knocked back too

Re: When Rangi goes, who should we buy? : Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:13 am  

DAVE@CAS1990 wrote:

First paragraph: No, on base principle, they aren't. If you think a "Super League contract" (whatever that means) dictates that "a player has signed for three years therefore he must play for three years" you are outrageously off the mark. To say that Cas have "got rid" of Chase, well, frankly that's a point I don't think needs addressing.

Second paragraph: You STILL haven't named any names.... What you are failing to see is that, from the NRL, anything but the top 3/4 clubs here is a massive step down. You talk about Dorn being over the hill, fair enough, but if you expect us to get a quality half back at the peak of their career, you are outrageously off the mark once more. We can either get a "Jamie Ellis young and unproven" type, or a "Brent Sherwin milking the sport for a pension" type. Agreed, I'd rather have a young player, but Ellis has been slated for not being good enough this year when he is only 21, so the club can't win really. Unfortunately, most young NRL half-backs would rather play Toyota Cup than come to a poor SL team. The other exception would be a "Tim Smith" type, who was at his peak but couldn't get into the Cronulla team and his career was passing him by

We have a player on contract, how can he play for anyone before we say ??? What's even your point ??? That Rangi just need to say "i don't want my contract any more" and that's it ??? What's the point in transfer fees then why don't Salford simply say here Rangi have half what we are paying Cas to say I don't want my contract anymore.... You do know what a contract is dont you ???

Where have I ever put we should sign like for like to replace Chase ??? There isn't one available in the world that's why we had a valuable commodity and shouldn't have sold him.... But as he has been sold I'd like to replace him with either a good young talent scouted out from Australia or the lower leagues or a quality old head with experience for one to two years to give us time to find a long term replacement.....You know be sensible and research all avenues before chucking money at bottom SL players, taking us back to days before. Personally I'd take Fien for a year or 2 if available (giving us time to find a long term replacement) he is coming off contract, despite his age he is still a class act and his versatility in the halves would be ideal in a small squad such as ours.