Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine!
BillyRhino wrote:
So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
Given that stadium progression (or indications of) is arguably key to deciding who gets a franchise I presumed that's what you were suggesting when you claimed Wakefield were ahead of Cas.
Well I am glad you presumed rather than assumed because you know what communication experts say about ass/u/me' ing.
You and others are saying that, but I didn't say that or say Wakey were in front of Cas in the franchise race. I clearly stated "...I think the important perception that Cas are in front of Wakefield on a new stadium is unfair... ". Looks crystal to me???
You are extending that to mean something to you that it doesn't mean to me... you are making assumptions!
you could say that Cas are now behind Wakefield( on a new stadium)
Good evening I_A
You have your opinion on this and I understand the flack you are taking. Do you really think that is the case?
The LDF plans for Newmarket received the most objections online than any other. Many of the objectors ( not all nimbys by the way) wishing to speak at the Inspector's Inquiry (LDF Inquiry). Of all the online comments (140 ish), the only ones in favour of the LDF proposals for Newmarket were from Yorkcourt (no surprise), Langtree (no surprise) plus one other .
Do you really think the LDF proposal for Newmarket will be as plain sailing as you and others believe?
Just asking!
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Well I am glad you presumed rather than assumed because you know what communication experts say about ass/u/me' ing.
You and others are saying that, but I didn't say that or say Wakey were in front of Cas in the franchise race. I clearly stated "...I think the important perception that Cas are in front of Wakefield on a new stadium is unfair... ". Looks crystal to me???
You are extending that to mean something to you that it doesn't mean to me... you are making assumptions!
Did I use incorrect terminology? Just say so rather than an essay of pedantic piffle.
It took me two days to decide to post it... you did read that bit?
Seems to me you maybe need to read posts a little more thoroughly before commenting, I know my posts are long, but I am sure you can forgive me that?
If I have falsely accused of you insulting me I apologies, but must admit, you asked a question and then had a go at me when I answered you honestly... I think that maybe veiled insults might be a better choice?
Lies? The truth can be a bugger sometimes as well!
Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine!
BillyRhino wrote:
So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
I'm also assuming that your 'source' was not at the meeting, but has been told by his 'source', who wasn't at the meeting, who was told be his 'source' about what happened (or maybe there are a few more links in the chain?). Being honest I think you make a lot of assumptions about what happened using your good knowledge of planning and construction, some of which may be accurate but some of which, as is the case with assumptions, are inaccurate. Unfortunately we all know that as a story passes down the chain, the truth gets swamped by embellishment and exaggeration.
Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine!
BillyRhino wrote:
So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
You have your opinion on this and I understand the flack you are taking. Do you really think that is the case?
Hi allmatt... where have you been mate?
If you are talking about WR... then source is good (IMO of course ) and they don't have an axes to grind (at least I don't think they do?) and I have no reason to doubt the information given. I was a little surprised that it was quite as badly received as it was but, apparently, they were told this was not 'in the plan' at all for this area and that they (the planners) would take some convincing it was suitable for this location. They did say though, I understand, that they are not totally closed to the idea but because this whole area is subject to massive longer term development plans (which the housing planning they already have, were part of) unless other things came on line, other developers/land owners being willing to also help impact of the infrastructure, more options etc then it was possible but it was not going to be resolved overnight, far from it. They were talking as much as 3 to 5 years (which even I was surprised at!) to get this through.
allmatt wrote:
The LDF plans for Newmarket received the most objections online than any other. Many of the objectors ( not all nimbys by the way) wishing to speak at the Inspector's Inquiry (LDF Inquiry). Of all the online comments (140 ish), the only ones in favour of the LDF proposals for Newmarket were from Yorkcourt (no surprise), Langtree (no surprise) plus one other .
Do you really think the LDF proposal for Newmarket will be as plain sailing as you and others believe?
This is a different subject!
However, firstly they are clearly still putting the posted (rather than online comments) letters up because last time I looked it was around 100... and I was surprised it was that low, but this look a bit better. Is the LDF going to plain sailing, no, not at all but because of other sites as well, not just this one. Do I (and Wakefield Council) think it will probably get approved, yes, but we could be wrong again!
I think this comes back to the numbers game and it not being about one. You know I don't believe in the numbers game, even though I have played it...under duress! The problem still remains that not one person (well possibly one other developer, but suspect he is upset at not getting his in the LDF for valid reasons) has suggested an alternative site and this is the bit they have missed... well, that is the problem, there isn't something to miss, because their does not appear to be one!
Again, the challenge, if anyone can suggest one then they better (in wedding stylee) declare it, or forever hold their peace. Remember, the choice is 95ha of B8 on the M62 corridor, so you need to find an alternative 51 ha to replace Newmarket. You can't opt out, as much as they seem to think they can, it is in the book, legal and has to be fulfilled. Anyone????
Also, in actual fact their have been only about 20 + objects to the site, there have been 140+ objections to the soundness of the document in respect of the site... a subtle but big difference. So they are saying that it is not sound and will be asked by the inspector to tell him why... and the answer is? Also, there will be 3 to 4 speakers for and 3 to 4 against maximum. I think he will want the actual Newmarket residents to speak as one (we know who will do that) and I think he will let Methley Residents Assoc speak and maybe a group from Bottomboat and then after that, I am struggling... maybe Wakefield Civic Society (although they are, I understand, a little divided on the issue). Then he will let Residents For Newmarket speak (he is a nice guy I understand), SWAG, The Trust/Club and Wakefield Council. This will not be a free for all!
Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine!
BillyRhino wrote:
So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
I'm also assuming that your 'source' was not at the meeting, but has been told by his 'source', who wasn't at the meeting, who was told be his 'source' about what happened (or maybe there are a few more links in the chain?). Being honest I think you make a lot of assumptions about what happened using your good knowledge of planning and construction, some of which may be accurate but some of which, as is the case with assumptions, are inaccurate. Unfortunately we all know that as a story passes down the chain, the truth gets swamped by embellishment and exaggeration.
All I will say again is that you should not ass/u/me anything. It is close and credible, you can choose to not believe me if you wish and that is fine. If it was not stronger, much stronger, than you suggest I would not have posted it.
You are all missing something vital here BTW. I posted this because I thought it might go some way to galvanising Cas supporters to understand the stupid situation the RFL are creating for both clubs and that maybe things were not as clear as the majority of RL supporters think.
I 100% support RW in looking to get a commercial sale price for his land because at the moment, that is the best option and will indeed probably see Cas build a new Stadium at GH or even at WR. This is the important bit that the RFL appear to be missing, the global economic situation has created a situation for Cas and Wakey that because, unlike most other clubs, their Local Council have not been able to give major financial support they have to go and look elsewhere. Now a small minority of Cas fans, after banging on about Yorkcourt funding a stadium, what for, blah, blah, find themselves at the behest of a company that is in exactly the same business as Yorkcourt and now find that ok? It is BTW, the best way to get both clubs new stadiums.
Castleford and Wakey should be given another three years to in SL to sort this out, this false promise stuff thrown about by some is rubbish, they are both trying bloody hard to make this work and the fact that the economic world has not be turning very fast over the last 2/3 years seems to have passed the RFL by. Now they might both do this outside of SL but this more rsiky and I don't think the RFL should be playing Russian Roulette with it's member clubs. A 15 team SL is the option that both sets of fans should be joining together to promote... even Ray French is not wrong all the time!
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