Re: Best Tigers XIII Ever : Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:51 pm  

1 Steadman
2 SJ, Ellis
3 Joiner
4 Blackmore
5 Fenton
6 Chase
7 Ford
8 Bartram
10 Crooks
11 Nicou
12 Realy
13 Vowles
14 Gibbs
15 Sampson
16 K, Beardmore
17 Fritz
theres lots of players once again it all comes down to the age of the fans , one thing for sure Cas have had some cracking players, born & bred and brought in

Re: Best Tigers XIII Ever : Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:10 pm  

Bethman wrote:

I thought this also but in the 20 years I've been watching Cas I can remember quite a few average players we've had on the flanks but not many good ones. In his first season Shenton played mainly on the wing so for this reason I think I'd have to go for Ellis and Shenton.

ha ha, I don't blame you.
To be honest, I actually liked him as a player, I also find a lot of who you like has a lot to do with how you feel when you go, I used to like Pickering and Shick (spelling) but becuase in loved going in those days, I remember them as better than they probably were!!

Re: Best Tigers XIII Ever : Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:41 pm  

Always difficult to compare players from different eras. How about the best TEAM to play, in that all they players played together in the same team.
1. Flowers
2. Gay
3. Eager
4. Maloney
5. Rogers
6. Orr
7. Davies
8. Sykes
9. Raper
10. Sampson
11. Harland
12. Fritz
13. Vowles.

Re: Best Tigers XIII Ever : Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:44 pm  

OR
1. Steadman
2. Ellis
3. Blackmore
4. Anderson
5. Middleton
6. Kemp
7. Ford
8. Crooks
9. Russell
10. Ketteridge/Sampson
11. Morrison
12. Smales
13. Nikau.

Re: Best Tigers XIII Ever : Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:36 pm  

1. Steadman
2. Plange
3. Joyner
4. Blackmore
5. St John Ellis

6. Hardisty
7. Hepworth

8. Hartley
9. K. Beardmore
10. Crooks
11. K. Ward
12. Bryant
13. Reilly

14. Nikau
15. Eagar
16. Vowles
17. B. Lockwood[/quote]
I agree with most of your team but with two exceptions.
1. Not Steadman I know he was an excepional player but he was the coach that started the rot at Castleford and I will never forgive him for that. My number one shirt would go to
Richard Gay he always gave 100% and never shirked from any tackles.
My second choice would be the Number 8 Hartley from what I am told was a very good player but from what I have seen and because of his commitment to the club my Number 8 is Craig Huby.
All the rest of your team I wish we could clone them and have them now. By the way for me the coach would have to be Stuart Raper.

Re: Best Tigers XIII Ever : Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:14 pm  

mdean wrote:

I am not a great historian, but there are a few people I think I would swap:
Not sure about hooker - in my own memory I prefer Bartrim - Others will differ who have more life experience!
Loose, I never saw Mr Reilly personally, but I am told he was something special.
My only other change would be Kevin Ward for Lee Crooks.

Lots of people will have differing views, but your specification of "with your own eyes" makes it interesting!!!

I saw him play when he was at Manly. For me he is the best player this country has ever produced, and as a Wakey fan that's hard to say. Physically, mentally and ability. He was a bit of an animal but who wasn't then.

For me what set him apart and why I rate him above all others is because of how he made it in Oz.

He went there with a reputation as a hard case. This did not impress the Aussies or the press. The talk was that he would be put in his place as soon as he played his first game, he was after all a soft pom. Malcolm was having non of it and was utterly unfazed. In his first few games he made it his mission to seek out and destroy the hard man of every team he faced. He succeeded and nobody called him a soft pom EVER again.

Can you imagine that now. If we could put a tenth of Malcolm's attitude, guts and drive in the 17 who face Australia next year we would destroy them. Sadly we don't make em like that anymore. Plenty of hard men and a few thugs but none with the brains to match.

Re: Best Tigers XIII Ever : Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:59 pm  

vastman wrote:

I saw him play when he was at Manly. For me he is the best player this country has ever produced, and as a Wakey fan that's hard to say. Physically, mentally and ability. He was a bit of an animal but who wasn't then.

For me what set him apart and why I rate him above all others is because of how he made it in Oz.

He went there with a reputation as a hard case. This did not impress the Aussies or the press. The talk was that he would be put in his place as soon as he played his first game, he was after all a soft pom. Malcolm was having non of it and was utterly unfazed. In his first few games he made it his mission to seek out and destroy the hard man of every team he faced. He succeeded and nobody called him a soft pom EVER again.

Can you imagine that now. If we could put a tenth of Malcolm's attitude, guts and drive in the 17 who face Australia next year we would destroy them. Sadly we don't make em like that anymore. Plenty of hard men and a few thugs but none with the brains to match.

He hasn't lost it either...he trains in the gym with the intensity of a guy half his age..more often than not wearing Manly training gear.

Re: Best Tigers XIII Ever : Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:23 am  

nhs1984 wrote:

1. Steadman
2. Plange
3. Joyner
4. Blackmore
5. St John Ellis

6. Hardisty
7. Hepworth

8. Hartley
9. K. Beardmore
10. Crooks
11. K. Ward
12. Bryant
13. Reilly

14. Nikau
15. Eagar
16. Vowles
17. B. Lockwood

I agree with most of your team but with two exceptions.
1. Not Steadman I know he was an excepional player but he was the coach that started the rot at Castleford and I will never forgive him for that. My number one shirt would go to
Richard Gay he always gave 100% and never shirked from any tackles.
My second choice would be the Number 8 Hartley from what I am told was a very good player but from what I have seen and because of his commitment to the club my Number 8 is Craig Huby.
All the rest of your team I wish we could clone them and have them now. By the way for me the coach would have to be Stuart Raper.[/quote]

I fully accept that Steady wasn't the best coach we have ever had, but this topic is about players not coaches and in my opinion he was the best full back that I have seen (pushed close by Derek Edwards and Gary Belcher).

I also accept Craig Huby's commitment to the club, unfortunately he is not in the same class as Dennis Hartley was - read Malcolm Reilly's autobiography where he states that the only person who ever scared him on the pitch was Dennis!! (quite a compliment). The only 2 other props to come close to Dennis were Crooksy & Kevin Ward - so I put Wardy to 2nd row where he started his career.

Re: Best Tigers XIII Ever : Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:44 am  

Johnny The Fox wrote:

I put Wardy to 2nd row where he started his career.

I heard he actually started at centre.

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Re: Best Tigers XIII Ever : Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:44 am  

PopTart wrote:

I'm a Wakefield fan (so I hope I'm not intruding) but I've seen a lot of Cas over the years so if I can have a go too I'd pick:

1 Steadman
2 Plange
3 Joyner
4 Blackmore
5 St John Ellis
6 Orr
7 Brough
8 Ward
9 Beardmore
10 Johnson
11 French (Ian)
12 Nikau
13 Vowles

snip.

I forgot about Danny Orr. I think I will swap Chase out for him. First time round he was outstanding and gets extra points for staying so long and then coming back too.
I am wondering if I should squeeze Tony Merchant in somewhere too.