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Re: Steve Ferres - SL Clubs must change : Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:23 pm  
Im not looking down at Mr Glover, he has taken the club forward with no help from the RFL, unlike another club, but he will need very deep pockets to keep the price so low, we have fans who think we should be given big discounts because of last years debacle on the field, but the club has got to come first and last year has gone, and prices have been set to allow are club to go forward. What worries me is when the prices start to rise, the new people who have been brought in with the cheep season tickets fall away, and the numbers go down, hopefully the majority will stay but thats the gamble
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Re: Steve Ferres - SL Clubs must change : Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:28 pm  
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Im not looking down at Mr Glover, he has taken the club forward with no help from the RFL, unlike another club, but he will need very deep pockets to keep the price so low, we have fans who think we should be given big discounts because of last years debacle on the field, but the club has got to come first and last year has gone, and prices have been set to allow are club to go forward. What worries me is when the prices start to rise, the new people who have been brought in with the cheep season tickets fall away, and the numbers go down, hopefully the majority will stay but thats the gamble


The discount on the season tickets are not coming from Glovers pocket. He introduced a pricing policy that maximizes our income. Please re read my post.
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Re: Steve Ferres - SL Clubs must change : Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:59 pm  
I don't think that anyone is criticising what Glover has done or for what reason he has done it for. The simple fact was that, at the time he took over, you were looking down and out and needed to secure as many of the licence criteria as possible. One of those was the crowd figures and to breed a positive atmosphere at the club.

The difficult thing is that the pricing policy clearly isn't sustainable and I disagree - he isn't maximising income, at least through ST sales. The income you've got from 4000 ST holders paying £125 is equivalent (assuming they're adults) to 2500 paying £200.00. Compared to ST sales 4/5 years ago that, fair enough, is a considerable increase. But do you really believe that as a club if the price was increased you wouldn't achieve 2500?

Sooner or later, the deal is going to have to be increased/flipped (possibly £150 next season). I'd be surprised if the average ST price across SL is not £200.00, though. It will certainly be interesting to see if this can be sustained/maintained. With a loss of £1.2m in first season, though, I think this is - returning back to topic - what SF is highlighting. Clubs in general cannot rely on benefactors, making substantial losses and not spending what they earn. Criteria of licensing, permitting it remains, should be about sustainability and much more stringent financial policing. Perhaps something like the Financial Fair Play system in the lower leagues in football wouldn't go amiss?
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Re: Steve Ferres - SL Clubs must change : Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:17 am  
Good post Fully. ATEOTD if the cheap season ticket offer was the best route to go down why is only one SL club doing it at the present time ?

Something like the Financial Fair Play system would be a fantastic way of getting the game back on its feet.
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Re: Steve Ferres - SL Clubs must change : Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:52 am  
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I don't think that anyone is criticising what Glover has done or for what reason he has done it for. The simple fact was that, at the time he took over, you were looking down and out and needed to secure as many of the licence criteria as possible. One of those was the crowd figures and to breed a positive atmosphere at the club.

The difficult thing is that the pricing policy clearly isn't sustainable and I disagree - he isn't maximising income, at least through ST sales. The income you've got from 4000 ST holders paying £125 is equivalent (assuming they're adults) to 2500 paying £200.00. Compared to ST sales 4/5 years ago that, fair enough, is a considerable increase. But do you really believe that as a club if the price was increased you wouldn't achieve 2500?


Why is it clearly not suitable? As an overhaul long term pricing statagey it is. Previously we could of not expected to sell more than 2k season tickets at full price. Now at more than half price ST sales have increased at more than 100%. At the same time the clubs still getting another 4k paying customers in over the year. Without the current discounts we could expect 2k STs and 4k paying fans. The numbers work out better, even more so when you consider match day revenues will also increase.

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Sooner or later, the deal is going to have to be increased/flipped (possibly £150 next season). I'd be surprised if the average ST price across SL is not £200.00, though. It will certainly be interesting to see if this can be sustained/maintained. With a loss of £1.2m in first season, though, I think this is - returning back to topic - what SF is highlighting. Clubs in general cannot rely on benefactors, making substantial losses and not spending what they earn. Criteria of licensing, permitting it remains, should be about sustainability and much more stringent financial policing. Perhaps something like the Financial Fair Play system in the lower leagues in football wouldn't go amiss?


You don't say...can't you see whats happening? £100 last year £125 next do you not see the pattern here with the 25% increase. One thing for certain, Glover isn't making up any losses out of his pocket for these cheaper ST and it's certainly not got anything to do with £1.2m loss.

I hope your not going to hang on SF every word like you did with RW! SF will say whats best for the situation he finds himself in. Of course the game needs rich benefactors at least initially to get the clubs in strong position, look at Saints and Wires they didn't get to be were they are by building from a weak base. These clubs owners splashed the cash the starts signed and success eventually followed along with the fans. It's from this position that clubs can start to look to run self sufficient. How else are clubs like us ever going to get into the elite..only on way initial investment and a business plan to sustain it. If we didn't have the rich benefactors the salary cap would have to be lowered (there's positives to that but it's another argument) and a lot of the top players would drift of to Union.The games elite clubs are too powerful for that to happen.
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Re: Steve Ferres - SL Clubs must change : Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:10 am  
The selling of cheap season tickets can be considered to be a gamble. A gamble we all saw backfire at Bradford Bulls. This doesn’t mean it will backfire at Wakey though. To be honest - it looks like it is working and only time will tell. Factors for its success are keeping the punters entertained on match days and obviously having a decent home winning record.
Bottom line is – we at Tigers cannot afford to do it. I’m sure SF and the B.O.D would love to but we don’t have a benefactor willing to take the gamble and potentially lose more money.
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Re: Steve Ferres - SL Clubs must change : Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:41 am  
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The selling of cheap season tickets can be considered to be a gamble. A gamble we all saw backfire at Bradford Bulls. This doesn’t mean it will backfire at Wakey though. To be honest - it looks like it is working and only time will tell. Factors for its success are keeping the punters entertained on match days and obviously having a decent home winning record.
Bottom line is – we at Tigers cannot afford to do it. I’m sure SF and the B.O.D would love to but we don’t have a benefactor willing to take the gamble and potentially lose more money.


I might be wrong here but I'm sure about 80% of Bradfords average gate were ST holders. They lost a large amount of vital income through the season (and had a full salary cap to pay) and seemed over reliant on the Sky money to get along. With us maintaining a decent walk up support I think we may have the balance right.
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Re: Steve Ferres - SL Clubs must change : Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:48 pm  
Only time will tell, there comes a point when the fans start to think about the price going up, if it gradually or not, some people drop off, it all depends on how many fans decide not to renew, hopefully not many, with are club we have had fans complaining about the price of the membership, you get 2 games for a bronze at £50 on interest free credit for people who cant attend many games, with that you get 10% off merchandise, restaurants, and lots of other things, it just shows for some its all about the price.
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