Re: Catch 22 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:02 pm  

clubfoot fc wrote:

As an outsider looking in. If he's a lifelong fan surely he's had worse times than this being a cas fan?

You'd think so wouldn't you.

Re: Catch 22 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:09 pm  

Its a tough one but if you aren't happy with a product you wouldn't keep on buying it. You would make your point by refusing to put money into that companies pockets. If fans are that fed up with their teams performance then the only real way to show their dis-satisfaction is to vote with their feet and stop attending. Maybe then someone will sit up and take notice that it isn't acceptable and something has to happen. Its just how it goes with sport i'm afraid.

Re: Catch 22 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:13 pm  

Theboyem wrote:

Its a tough one but if you aren't happy with a product you wouldn't keep on buying it. You would make your point by refusing to put money into that companies pockets. If fans are that fed up with their teams performance then the only real way to show their dis-satisfaction is to vote with their feet and stop attending. Maybe then someone will sit up and take notice that it isn't acceptable and something has to happen. Its just how it goes with sport i'm afraid.

But if it's the fans that play a significant part in improving that product then surely they cannot whinge that the product is poor when not willing to put the money in?

Clubs cannot live on commercial income alone; and in a small clubs like Cas the fans are even more important. Some people just don't want to get it, preferring to sit and whinge on an Internet forum. About time some people got into reality and went down to speak to those in control, who will make some time to speak to them.

Re: Catch 22 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:53 pm  

Fully wrote:

But if it's the fans that play a significant part in improving that product then surely they cannot whinge that the product is poor when not willing to put the money in?

Clubs cannot live on commercial income alone; and in a small clubs like Cas the fans are even more important. Some people just don't want to get it, preferring to sit and whinge on an Internet forum. About time some people got into reality and went down to speak to those in control, who will make some time to speak to them.

So despite the club treating the fans like crap and offering a subpar product for what is an overinflated price (league wide) the fans should just turn up anyway, paying hard earned money to watch 17 blokes not show any effort and just give up?

RW doesn't listen to the fans either, there's many times where people have offered him genuine ways to make money or improve the club and he simply ignores it.

What this club needs a totally new set up, starting at the very top.

If you want fans to show up, give them reason to do so and not expect them to keep supporting a failing team with no passion and show no effort week in week out. The problem is, the club do expect the fans to turn up no matter how much they cheap out on the squad.

Take this year for example....they SHOULD have added a couple of real quality players to kick on from what would have been a great season had it not being for injuries and a good coach to kick on from what Matterson left, but no, they get a bunch of Championship level players and a Championship level coach and still charge Super League prices, it's a joke.

Re: Catch 22 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:04 pm  

I must admit i can see this argument from both sides.

The club can't expect people to flock through the gates when they do not invest money in the squad, there is no point having a great new stadium (if it happens!) with a poor team. We need experienced quality pro's in the squad to bring on the youngsters, not NL1 players and loan signings.

On the other hand, the fans need to stick together and get themselves to as many games as possible and support the team. Players and managers come and go but fans remain constant. I myself am fed up with hearing false promises from the board but I will still support the team on the pitch, especially the younger blokes coming through the ranks. Obviously with the tragic events earlier in the season, we are further back than I hoped we would be, but with players coming back from injury as well, things can only get better.

Everyone needs to pull together but I can understand people's frustrations.

Re: Catch 22 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:24 pm  

Theboyem wrote:

Its a tough one but if you aren't happy with a product you wouldn't keep on buying it.

Exactly.

All ready told fully that on twitter, he seems to disagree.

Re: Catch 22 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:39 pm  

Fully wrote:

Clearly they are fans that aren't or won't understand our situation. Smacks of band-waggoning to me. Perhaps some of them should bother to go down and speak to the BoD and understand our situation. Then they may just realise how important the fans are.

What so being season ticket holders through relegations and national league 1 rugby twice makes them band waggoners?.

Re: Catch 22 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:08 pm  

duke street 10 wrote:

What so being season ticket holders through relegations and national league 1 rugby twice makes them band waggoners?.

So they've been through worse times but are choosing not to go now?! When our season has been disrupted by injury, our Head Coach has been on compassionate leave and we've had no consistency in the squad or coaching staff alike?

Come on, let's be fair and real here. IM was hardly going to perform miracles overnight with 17 players out injured at one point during training. I bet pre-season was awful; how he would have loved all the squad fit so they can work on everything together as a unit.

Re: Catch 22 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:12 pm  

Gronk! wrote:

So despite the club treating the fans like crap and offering a subpar product for what is an overinflated price (league wide) the fans should just turn up anyway, paying hard earned money to watch 17 blokes not show any effort and just give up?

That's not the club asking the players to be a "crap product", is it though? Similarly, it's not the BoD not putting in the effort or missing the tackles. It's not the BoD missing conversions or getting sin-binned.

RW doesn't listen to the fans either, there's many times where people have offered him genuine ways to make money or improve the club and he simply ignores it.

Utter rot. RW is one of the most open CEO's I know. I've never, ever seen another CEO take time out to email fans back or to meet them when they have concerns. Similarly, though Tigers Together and Fans Forum group, the whole BoD are willing to listen to the fans. Some just prefer to stay away and vilify them from a distance without actually having a clue.

Take this year for example....they SHOULD have added a couple of real quality players to kick on from what would have been a great season had it not being for injuries and a good coach to kick on from what Matterson left, but no, they get a bunch of Championship level players and a Championship level coach and still charge Super League prices, it's a joke.

That was IM's choice. The budget was there for quality players but he then run the risk of losing our star players. We know have a backbone of our squad signed up long term and with a future budget to build quality around them and depth. Stick your fingers in your ears and go la la la la all you want but you know this actually makes sense.

Re: Catch 22 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:34 pm  

Fully, you're an idiot. Are you even watching the same team as the rest of us are? You're outnumbered here by a long shot.

We have taken several steps back from the team we had last year. Our forwards are non existent and we have no game plan at all. Simpy drive the ball up the middle a few times. Rangi then does some fancy footwork for a few tackles and then we kick the ball as high into the air as possible - EVERY TIME!!

We aren't the same team anymore, we're boring to watch. Even when being relegated we've played with heart.

The ground is a disgrace and we've been told rubbish after rubbish. It is simply not worth the money to go and watch the team.