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Re: Rovers : Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:47 pm  
Well that shows what I know - Walmsley excellent today -as was Jouffret at fullback. Thought Grix summed it up well in his aftermatch comments- worked hard in the first half without really having courage to try much in attack - second half they really troubled what must be the strongest team in the division.
Overall although disappointed to lose really enjoyed the game - I'm sure that performance would have been enough to beat most teams in the division. While I would expect us to lose next week - think we now have a decent chance against Leigh - just unfortunate timing to have 3 such tough fixtures in succession.
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Re: Rovers : Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:05 am  
A strong response in the second half. We might be quite a good team if we can cut out the brain farts.

Not sure how Joe Martin gets back in the team, Jouffret added a lot in attack and Grix has got a tough call to make with Walmsley. Think Fev were there for the taking in second half but self-sabotage as usual went against us.
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Re: Rovers : Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:52 am  
I thought first half we offered very little and Fev didn't really have to get out of 3rd gear to gain the lead they had at half time. Second half I thought were were the better team and with a better first half we would have gave ourselves a great chance of winning the game. In that respect I was really pleased with the performance but I will reserve judgment saying we can really compete with them until after next week.

Yesterday showed how laughable that Jouffret and Walmsley not been selected for previous games was. Its no surprise that both our halfs were outstanding when you add in another pivot to take some pressure off them and with Walmsley you get that extra bit of quality, only inches away from a hat trick which would have been a class finish as he got on top of one of the best wingers at this level. If either of those two lose their spots after that they have every right to be miffed. I think our pack did really well and were not as out muscled as I thought they might be, if anything it were Fev in the second half that looked to be lacking energy wise which was a surprise.
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Re: Rovers : Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:53 am  
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A strong response in the second half. We might be quite a good team if we can cut out the brain farts.

Not sure how Joe Martin gets back in the team, Jouffret added a lot in attack and Grix has got a tough call to make with Walmsley. Think Fev were there for the taking in second half but self-sabotage as usual went against us.

A) Martin doesn't get back into the team unless for injuries.
B) No tough call on Walmsley, he should be certain starter.
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Re: Rovers : Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:58 am  
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I thought first half we offered very little and Fev didn't really have to get out of 3rd gear to gain the lead they had at half time. Second half I thought were were the better team and with a better first half we would have gave ourselves a great chance of winning the game. In that respect I was really pleased with the performance but I will reserve judgment saying we can really compete with them until after next week.

Yesterday showed how laughable that Jouffret and Walmsley not been selected for previous games was. Its no surprise that both our halfs were outstanding when you add in another pivot to take some pressure off them and with Walmsley you get that extra bit of quality, only inches away from a hat trick which would have been a class finish as he got on top of one of the best wingers at this level. If either of those two lose their spots after that they have every right to be miffed. I think our pack did really well and were not as out muscled as I thought they might be, if anything it were Fev in the second half that looked to be lacking energy wise which was a surprise.

Totally agree on all that you say. The performances of Jouffret and Walmsley show just how wrong Simon Grix got it to omit them from previous teams. Those two play against Widnes and we would have won the game. :CRAZY:
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Re: Rovers : Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:00 am  
Played well enough in certain parts of the game and with ten minutes to go there was just one score in it.
If a couple of passes in the second half had stuck might have even been closer.

Fev were that bit better in both D and attack keeping us out on successive sets and then frequently punishing us when they had the ball in the red zone.

Our slide and edge defense looked vulnerable on more than one occasion, couldn't see who it was with the sun in the eyes but it looked like Pickersgill regularly joining the line to create the numbers and space out wide.

Overall a much better game for players and fans than the mud slog of the previous weeks but there were clear signs that the firmer pitches will help us play a bit and see some entertaining good quality rugby.

Apart from the actual weather, how far we will be down the table by then is the biggest cloud after the poor start but there's always hope.
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Re: Rovers : Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:51 am  
All in all there were a lot more positives to come out of the game than negatives. The shocking first half where we looked clueless was followed by some great rugby in the second half. Walmsley and Jouffret were both excellent and will only get better as we go forward. As has been said though, we are already falling behind in the league table and out of both cups too. Looking forward though the signs from yesterday are optimistic and with better pitches and players coming back we can still have a successful season. Up The Fax! :CHEERS:
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Re: Rovers : Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:03 am  
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I thought first half we offered very little and Fev didn't really have to get out of 3rd gear to gain the lead they had at half time. Second half I thought were were the better team and with a better first half we would have gave ourselves a great chance of winning the game. In that respect I was really pleased with the performance but I will reserve judgment saying we can really compete with them until after next week.

Yesterday showed how laughable that Jouffret and Walmsley not been selected for previous games was. Its no surprise that both our halfs were outstanding when you add in another pivot to take some pressure off them and with Walmsley you get that extra bit of quality, only inches away from a hat trick which would have been a class finish as he got on top of one of the best wingers at this level. If either of those two lose their spots after that they have every right to be miffed. I think our pack did really well and were not as out muscled as I thought they might be, if anything it were Fev in the second half that looked to be lacking energy wise which was a surprise.

Regarding Walmsley and Jouffret I hope they are both back in the side for next week based on performance and what was added in attack from yesterday and there's no doubt the drier pitch help them and us.
Would they have been the better selection than Martin and McComb in the mud?

And if we are using form as the marker.

Certainly against Widnes all the backs were outstanding as were the pack.

Now there's part of the conundrum, because apart from being cup tied which forced the issue, on their form against Widnes should any of them have been left out?

It was the kicking game that let us down against Widnes and SG went for the players he thought were better suited to the conditions and they produced apart from with the boot.

On conditions, horses for courses where both Walmsley / Jouffret are closest to the race horse variety and if we were going to choose a surface for them to play on would it be yesterdays or the swamp against Widnes, decide for yourself?

LJ, in attack he's going to be a cracker jack player if he's picked, only question.

Not sure on the strength of his defense and because of the sun couldn't see if it was Jouffret with succesive knock on's who coughed up the ball close to the line gifting a couple of scores.
Would the steady Joe Martin have done that?

Either way Jouffret for me, because he adds extra threat, enough in his own all round game and he gives live in game options at 1,6,7 and 9 if anyone gets injured.

Connecting a few dots on SG, LJ and Widnes.

In that game LJ was on the bench instead of the injured Kyle Wood, now if KW had been fit would he have just been left there to sit it out never getting onto the pitch?
I very much doubt it regardless of how Brandon was playing KW would have been on.

My question to SG is, why would you almost certainly bring on KW to spell BM and not do the same with LJ once he's included in the side?

We'll likely never know.
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Re: Rovers : Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:44 am  
Great second half effort, but our mistakes close to our own line costly again. Good to see Jouffret and Walmsley get a chance. As per previous poster, different conditions may have dictated otherwise. And whilst they stood out in moments, if we are fair in our reflection of the game: Jouffret coughed the ball up twice on or own line, I think both lead to scores. I don't necessarily agree that he did that much coming into the line, most of the time he simply shifted the ball on, he didn't straighten and make the defenders think twice. But there were glimpses of what he can bring to the team. For Walmsley, it was clear what you will get from him, particularly on a firmer track. But I'd be interested to know how many carries he took coming out of our own half compared to Salty and the metres he made doing so.
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Re: Rovers : Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:05 pm  
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For Walmsley, it was clear what you will get from him, particularly on a firmer track. But I'd be interested to know how many carries he took coming out of our own half compared to Salty and the metres he made doing so.


I see that as a problem with the modern game in a winger can be judged by how many hard yards he made rather than the spectacualr things they do that the fans pay money to see. Just another thing related to that where faxcar made a very good post but pointed out "Would the steady Joe Martin have done that?". We are a team aiming for a top 3/4 position, so is steady Joe Martin the type of player that should be taking up a position in the team? I accept that if he were a back up incase we have a lot of injuries then he is not a bad player to come in and "do a job" but again we should be aiming higher than doing a job and Joe at best is a lower half Championship fullback which pains me when we have top half flair players like Walmsley and Jouffret sat in the stands.
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