: Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:02 pm  

Fax4Life wrote:

But in the old system a team just tries to win the game or at least draw it - although draws are rare they do reward the effort to get even on the scoreboard and something out of the game.
With a bonus point teams are just trying to keep the score down at the death to get one, I do not honestly beileve that a team is trying to settle for a BP for most of the game they are trying to win it. A BP just happens either because the opposition take their foot off the gas or late on a team realises it may get one but for 70 minutes both teams are probably blissfully unaware of the BP possibility so how is it keeping scores down???
What keeps scores down is more evenly matched teams, which cannot be manufactured as the RFL seem to be trying to suggest with the BP system.
It is a negative move for me as a win is what I want a team to be going for or a least a draw not to lose a match rfor a bonus point.
I bet the Aussies don't have this rule???

CORRECT ! They have Aussie rules.


We drew a game at Cas in the cup and eventually lost in extra time, is this any different, considering our team gave their all but still managed to get nothing out of the game ?

: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:21 pm  

marillion man wrote:

CORRECT ! They have Aussie rules.


We drew a game at Cas in the cup and eventually lost in extra time, is this any different, considering our team gave their all but still managed to get nothing out of the game ?

Yes its completely different. Although I dont like the golden point, it was a titanic attempt. The bonus point system is rewarding failure.

: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:14 pm  

spanishbob wrote:

Yes its completely different. Although I dont like the golden point, it was a titanic attempt. The bonus point system is rewarding failure.

Definately see your point re rewarding failure but not totally against it as it can be seen as rewarding the fans in a sense. If your team is getting stuffed (as we were on Friday) the fans can cling to the hope of a bonus point for the extra effort in theory, therefore making it a bit more worthwhile if you know your team is out of it re a victory.

: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:41 am  

faxlad66 wrote:

Definately see your point re rewarding failure but not totally against it as it can be seen as rewarding the fans in a sense. If your team is getting stuffed (as we were on Friday) the fans can cling to the hope of a bonus point for the extra effort in theory, therefore making it a bit more worthwhile if you know your team is out of it re a victory.

I see where you are coming from, but like I said earlier a team could loose 10 - 0 and be awarded a bonus point.

: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:03 am  

spanishbob wrote:

I see where you are coming from, but like I said earlier a team could loose 10 - 0 and be awarded a bonus point.

12 - 0 even.

: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:12 am  

Fax Machine wrote:

12 - 0 even.

If a team lost 10 - 0 they would still be within 12 points and would therefore qualify for a bonus point, surely.

: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:20 am  

spanishbob wrote:

If a team lost 10 - 0 they would still be within 12 points and would therefore qualify for a bonus point, surely.

Yes. I wasn't saying you were incorrect, I was just saying that they could lose 12 - 0 and still receive a bonus point which is even more ridiculous.

: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:30 am  

Fax Machine wrote:

Yes. I wasn't saying you were incorrect, I was just saying that they could lose 12 - 0 and still receive a bonus point which is even more ridiculous.

Yep, you are correct, and they could even loose 2 - 0 and get one, which would be even sillier, or would it reward defence?

: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:48 am  

The bonus point has its plus and minus points however as already mentioned, matches dont have the same value. Surely all matches should have 4 points on offer, that way a side who is winning by a decent margin doesnt take the foot off the gas as they would want to gain the bonus point.

One thing that can be said it has made for a exciting climax to the season with all the teams bunched together. Without the bonus point the table would look different.

Halifax 33
Barrow 30
Widnes 30
Featherstone 30
Whitehaven 30
Toulouse 24
Batley 22
Sheffield 21
Leigh 21
Gatehead 19
Doncaster 3


I do agree that all levels of our sport should be playing under the same rules, either everybody adapt to the bonus point system or kick it into touch. The rugby league will be kicking themselves, without the bonus point toulouse would be in the top six, it still looks like a competitive league.

The day will come when someone finishes top having lost more games than those in second, but wins on bonus points

: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:15 am  

Darber wrote:

The bonus point has its plus and minus points however as already mentioned, matches dont have the same value. Surely all matches should have 4 points on offer, that way a side who is winning by a decent margin doesnt take the foot off the gas as they would want to gain the bonus point.

One thing that can be said it has made for a exciting climax to the season with all the teams bunched together. Without the bonus point the table would look different.

Halifax 33
Barrow 30
Widnes 30
Featherstone 30
Whitehaven 30
Toulouse 24
Batley 22
Sheffield 21
Leigh 21
Gatehead 19
Doncaster 3


I do agree that all levels of our sport should be playing under the same rules, either everybody adapt to the bonus point system or kick it into touch. The rugby league will be kicking themselves, without the bonus point toulouse would be in the top six, it still looks like a competitive league.

The day will come when someone finishes top having lost more games than those in second, but wins on bonus points

The table is not that much different in its 'closeness' though without the BP so I don't agree, in this one there are 4 teams on 30 points.
Its naff come on bin it.