Re: Benefits of having a reserve setup : Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:58 pm  

the fax in asia wrote:

Why would S L clubs want to invest time and money on reserves when they can just go out and offer£££ to the clubs lower down the food chain who have invested in youth teams but need the cash to survive.
It is about time the fat cats at Red Hall put the whole house in order and stopped certain clubs from running the game, maybe a whole new RL board, and all clubs getting a vote on how the game is run and monies distributed.
As many have said before the game over here is all but dead, and needs a proper revamp if it is to grab the attention of the paying public.
I do not have the answers but have some ideas,as do most RL fans as what to do, but that is for another thread.
However until a major coup happens I fear this is life as we know it Jim, according to Mr. Spock.

M H O O.

Re: Benefits of having a reserve setup : Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:58 pm  

the fax in asia wrote:

Why would S L clubs want to invest time and money on reserves when they can just go out and offer£££ to the clubs lower down the food chain who have invested in youth teams but need the cash to survive.
It is about time the fat cats at Red Hall put the whole house in order and stopped certain clubs from running the game, maybe a whole new RL board, and all clubs getting a vote on how the game is run and monies distributed.
As many have said before the game over here is all but dead, and needs a proper revamp if it is to grab the attention of the paying public.
I do not have the answers but have some ideas,as do most RL fans as what to do, but that is for another thread.
However until a major coup happens I fear this is life as we know it Jim, according to Mr. Spock.

M H O O.

Because the number of players that SL clubs have signed from clubs lower down, youth team or senior team who have actually made the grade can be counted on one hand, look through the current SL sides and name them.
Compare that to the number of players currently playing in SL who have come through their own junior sides who are good enough and the number rises significantly.
The real money being spent and wasted in our game by SL clubs to make up the numbers is on overseas players, some are good enough, some are just average are some are just plain cr#p.
The question I would be asking if I were running a SL club and the game is.
Surely instead of spending my money on these types of players it would be better to bring our own lads through, it's not like they haven't done it before.
Likewise with Red Hall it's simply just Super League and that's it at the moment.
However how you sell it to them and SL is that there seams almost an obsession to be able to compete with the clubs in Australia at national level and club level, well at national level we're not going to able to do it when the majority of SL clubs are bloated with over payed, over rated, over the hill Aussies and the like!!!
So we are back to the home grown talent route which would be much stronger across the board if the bulk of SL players were from Britain.

Re: Benefits of having a reserve setup : Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:53 pm  

faxcar wrote:

Because the number of players that SL clubs have signed from clubs lower down, youth team or senior team who have actually made the grade can be counted on one hand, look through the current SL sides and name them.
Compare that to the number of players currently playing in SL who have come through their own junior sides who are good enough and the number rises significantly.
The real money being spent and wasted in our game by SL clubs to make up the numbers is on overseas players, some are good enough, some are just average are some are just plain cr#p.
The question I would be asking if I were running a SL club and the game is.
Surely instead of spending my money on these types of players it would be better to bring our own lads through, it's not like they haven't done it before.
Likewise with Red Hall it's simply just Super League and that's it at the moment.
However how you sell it to them and SL is that there seams almost an obsession to be able to compete with the clubs in Australia at national level and club level, well at national level we're not going to able to do it when the majority of SL clubs are bloated with over payed, over rated, over the hill Aussies and the like!!!
So we are back to the home grown talent route which would be much stronger across the board if the bulk of SL players were from Britain.

Re: Benefits of having a reserve setup : Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:59 am  

Faxcari am not disagreeing with you , however how many SL clubs have junior/ reserve sides?
Look at the amature teams around Halifax and how many are poached to SL clubs with the promise of fame and fortune only to find it was all whitewash and they are disalusioned into leaving the game,
As you point out we will never compete international level until imports are restricted, however arguably 2 of Fax outstanding players are Aussies, could home grown talent compete with them ? Maybe if we were full time.
I am not aware of how much 'proper ' work imports do, as they are not supposed to have work permits other than playing for their club, to my understanding, that is not to say they do not work, but being a liaison officer is not as arduous as being a bricklayer, gardener or window cleaner

Re: Benefits of having a reserve setup : Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:07 am  

the fax in asia wrote:

Faxcari am not disagreeing with you , however how many SL clubs have junior/ reserve sides?
Look at the amature teams around Halifax and how many are poached to SL clubs with the promise of fame and fortune only to find it was all whitewash and they are disalusioned into leaving the game,
As you point out we will never compete international level until imports are restricted, however arguably 2 of Fax outstanding players are Aussies, could home grown talent compete with them ? Maybe if we were full time.
I am not aware of how much 'proper ' work imports do, as they are not supposed to have work permits other than playing for their club, to my understanding, that is not to say they do not work, but being a liaison officer is not as arduous as being a bricklayer, gardener or window cleaner

We're just talking rugby on a forum mate and it makes a change to be able to exchange views on something other than picking MOM.
There's loads to be thought about and said on this topic.

SL clubs should benefit from having a reserve set up as they should be able to bring through enough talent into their first team ranks, this will rely on a number of things one of which is their junior / reserve players competing at a good level week in week out, not play a week miss 2 or 3 and play then again or be sent out on DR to any amount of other different clubs and on the subject of the "stain of the game" that is DR if more SL clubs had reserve sides then there would be less need to farm out players to other clubs just to get a game.

The existing SL clubs who have reserve set ups should be putting pressure on the RFL and the other SL clubs to all comply so they get this level of competition.
To fund it instead of spending on overseas players spend some of it on home grown talent especially if you believe some of the amounts that are being banded about for these so called "marquee players".

There's an argument on the admin side as well as there's a lot involved in bringing people in from half way round the world and often a big gamble that could be avoided.

Even with Fax it will be less likely to see the likes of Mitch and Adam at the club if we start to produce our own.
I feel a chant coming on.
(He's one our own, very near his home, he's one of our own, not out on loan, he's not come far and he's not DR )

Although you can't prevent scouts moving in onto your patch and signing up young talent the more SL teams who have junior / reserve sides the less likely it will be that they want your lads as they will have more of their own, that must also be more beneficial to the likes of us!

Re: Benefits of having a reserve setup : Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:14 am  

faxcar wrote:

We're just talking rugby on a forum mate and it makes a change to be able to exchange views on something other than picking MOM.
There's loads to be thought about and said on this topic.

SL clubs should benefit from having a reserve set up as they should be able to bring through enough talent into their first team ranks, this will rely on a number of things one of which is their junior / reserve players competing at a good level week in week out, not play a week miss 2 or 3 and play then again or be sent out on DR to any amount of other different clubs and on the subject of the "stain of the game" that is DR if more SL clubs had reserve sides then there would be less need to farm out players to other clubs just to get a game.

The existing SL clubs who have reserve set ups should be putting pressure on the RFL and the other SL clubs to all comply so they get this level of competition.
To fund it instead of spending on overseas players spend some of it on home grown talent especially if you believe some of the amounts that are being banded about for these so called "marquee players".

There's an argument on the admin side as well as there's a lot involved in bringing people in from half way round the world and often a big gamble that could be avoided.

Even with Fax it will be less likely to see the likes of Mitch and Adam at the club if we start to produce our own.
I feel a chant coming on.
(He's one our own, very near his home, he's one of our own, not out on loan, he's not come far and he's not DR )

Although you can't prevent scouts moving in onto your patch and signing up young talent the more SL teams who have junior / reserve sides the less likely it will be that they want your lads as they will have more of their own, that must also be more beneficial to the likes of us!

Great post and I love the chant

Re: Benefits of having a reserve setup : Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:46 pm  

Back to the future.. Was it and is it?