Re: General Election 8th June : Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:56 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

If they have any sense they know she will not be the one doing the talking - Farage would be so funny

Although I dont like the bloke and dont agree with his politics, I do believe he would fight "our" corner and he certainly wouldnt take any crap.

Also, with Mrs May's "failed" election and the likelihood of losing valuable negotiating time, whilst the Tories have a leadership election AND the possibility of another general election, there wont be much time, relatively speaking, to sort out a deal.
Someone like Farage could do the job and with a "no deal" looking most likely, he would have nothing to lose.

It's all a bit of a shambles though.
Lions lead by donkeys springs to mind.

Re: General Election 8th June : Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:59 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Interesting use of "never"

The Tories, despite having a 20% lead in the polls when May "changed her mind", again and called an election, couldnt muster an overall majority and had they not jumped in bed with the Unionists, they couldnt form a government.
We will all have another chance to vote within the next 12 months so, we'll see what happens then.
Maybe The Tories will get their act together or, perhaps Labour will gain power.
What we have is a very, very fragile government, a slowing economy and the EU hierarchy laughing at us, I'm sure that Mrs May is very proud of her efforts

corbyn only slightly did better than ed miliband!

Re: General Election 8th June : Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:28 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

corbyn only slightly did better than ed miliband!

Corbyn was never in the game though and started from 20 points back in the polls.
I was supposed to be a walk over.

To gain a "winning draw" versus a political no hoper, is not exactly vindication is it

This time next week, Corbyn will still be leader of his party, what about Mrs May ?

Re: General Election 8th June : Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:06 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

This time next week, Corbyn will still be leader of his party, what about Mrs May ?

Who takes over though?... Boris, Hammond, Gove, Rudd etc.. really awful alternatives.

Its really looking checkmate for the conservatives right now.

Re: General Election 8th June : Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:33 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Corbyn was never in the game though and started from 20 points back in the polls.
I was supposed to be a walk over.

To gain a "winning draw" versus a political no hoper, is not exactly vindication is it

This time next week, Corbyn will still be leader of his party, what about Mrs May ?

Is that a good thing for Labour - he lost by 60 seats, most leaders would have done the honourable thing? How Labour see this as some kind of victory defies belief. That is only eclipsed by Queen Nicola no wonder they want to be bedfellows.

Re: General Election 8th June : Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:38 pm  

brearley84 wrote: corbyn only slightly did better than ed miliband! Not a bad result considering Miliband was favourite to win the election and Corbyn was supposedly looking at a Tory landslide. BTW look at this video which shows that Corbyn's manifesto was not just empty promises trying to win votes but stuff he has been talking about for over 30 years: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 6062211073

brearley84 wrote: corbyn only slightly did better than ed miliband! Not a bad result considering Miliband was favourite to win the election and Corbyn was supposedly looking at a Tory landslide. BTW look at this video which shows that Corbyn's manifesto was not just empty promises trying to win votes but stuff he has been talking about for over 30 years: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 6062211073

Re: General Election 8th June : Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:55 pm  

headhunter wrote: Not a bad result considering Miliband was favourite to win the election and Corbyn was supposedly looking at a Tory landslide. BTW look at this video which shows that Corbyn's manifesto was not just empty promises trying to win votes but stuff he has been talking about for over 30 years: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 6062211073 Talking about stuff is easy , actually implementing it is something entirely different , many of his idea's I agree with in principle , but I know they would never work in the real world , unfortunately Mr Corbyn doesn't live in the real world

headhunter wrote: Not a bad result considering Miliband was favourite to win the election and Corbyn was supposedly looking at a Tory landslide. BTW look at this video which shows that Corbyn's manifesto was not just empty promises trying to win votes but stuff he has been talking about for over 30 years: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 6062211073 Talking about stuff is easy , actually implementing it is something entirely different , many of his idea's I agree with in principle , but I know they would never work in the real world , unfortunately Mr Corbyn doesn't live in the real world

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Re: General Election 8th June : Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:30 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Is that a good thing for Labour - he lost by 60 seats, most leaders would have done the honourable thing? How Labour see this as some kind of victory defies belief. That is only eclipsed by Queen Nicola no wonder they want to be bedfellows.

And the Tories and the DUP wanting to be bedfellows is what exactly? The DUP leader like Sturgeon does not sit in the House of Commons. We were told in 2015 if we voted Labour we'd be being dictated to by the unelected (to parliament) leader of the SNP. Tories to accept the same from the leader of the DUP? Hypocrites or what?

You also ignore the context within this election was fought.

if this were an election fought in say 2003 when there was no Brexit, no SNP having wiped Labour out in Scotland the election before and no cabal of Labour MP's openly hostile to the leader for two years before the election you might have a point.

Context here is everything and to try and say "Yeah, but Labour still lost" is failing to acknowledge that.

The SNP have been told to give Indyref2 a rest. It's no longer necessary to vote SNP if you want a left of centre MP in Scotland. Sure the Tories did better than Labour but both parties won seats off the SNP. So this result gives Labour a credibility in Scotland it lost. Voters who voted Tory for unionist reasons only now know they can vote Labour instead. So do SNP voters.

It's up to Labour to show a united front now and quit the bickering that was on show before the election was called. Corbyn has suddenly become electable but more importantly credible. The Tories thought they could ignore him and his policies. How will they appeal to the young voters who voted against then because of being shafted with tuitions fees for example?

This result is great for Labour because it's blown things wide open but left the Tories having to deal with Brexit (which will annoy one section of their party immensely) and, in case you missed it, worsening economic conditions.

Re: General Election 8th June : Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:41 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Talking about stuff is easy , actually implementing it is something entirely different , many of his idea's I agree with in principle , but I know they would never work in the real world , unfortunately Mr Corbyn doesn't live in the real world

As I've said before, most of the policies listed in the Labour manifesto are already implemented throughout the world, so they can, and do work in the real world.

Re: General Election 8th June : Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:44 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Who takes over though?... Boris, Hammond, Gove, Rudd etc.. really awful alternatives.

Its really looking checkmate for the conservatives right now.

Unfortunately, it's a long way from check mate for them.
There will be a few contenders, possible comeback for Gove or Fox and if all else fails they could make the country look even more foolish and go for, the Tory clown, Boris.

You can just imaging Boris and Trump in the same room.
Trump would threaten to nuke someone and Boris would laugh and make a joke out of it.