Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:02 pm  

Mintball wrote:

a fat tax would be daft since fat, per se, is not the problem

Of course, fat people are the problem. Perhaps I should have said, "Fatty Tax" instead of "Fat Tax"!

As an aside, I can't say I'm really convinced about your argument in favour of saturated fats - there are many, many links between saturated fats and various illnesses and health problems ranging from cancer to bone mineral density. I will agree that replacing fats with carbohydrates isn't good though.

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:06 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Seemingly, knowing how to cook

blimey,I have a mega problem then cos' I really CAN'T cook - totally clueless

my good lady loves cooking and I love eating so what could be better ?

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:26 pm  

Rinkadink wrote:

How about the taxpayers? After all, we are the ones footing their bills when the inevitable poor health and the diseases that go with it kick in. To illustrate; never listen to an overweight person banging on about illegal immigration (or legal ones for that matter either), in 2007 obesity cost the NHS £4.2 BILLION - this is set to rise to £6.2 billion per year by the end of 2013.

Do your bit for the economy and country, lose weight!

so by that theory then the same rules must apply to smokers & drinkers,not to mention junkies with all the diseases that they may contract which must be costing the NHS (as well as every health service in the world) billions each year ?


you're not a drinker or smoker Rinkadink by any chance ?

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:27 pm  

Rinkadink wrote: Of course, is using Google really that hard? http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2008/10/17/48030/obesity-set-to-cost-nhs-up-to-6.3bn-a-year-by-2015.html The 2015 date has since been brought forward due to the ever-increasing numbers of overweight citizens. You can have paid your tax for 45 years or more but you still haven't offset the cost to the NHS for your self-inflicted poor health, this is when it crosses over into being everyone else's problem as well. A fat tax would certainly help, much as smokers pay extra for the privilege of freedom, a similar tax on alcohol wouldn't go amiss either as its also costing the NHS a great deal in this day and age. Sorry to burst your bubble but being overweight is certainly a serious problem that is costing everyone dearly, why should others have to fund your fat addiction? I asked for facts and methodology to determine those facts not an opinion stated by a discredited Chief Medical Officer over three years ago. I rarely eat processed junk. My fats consist of dripping (beef & pork), butter, lard, goose fat and olive oil. I would never knowingly eat and margarine or any "healthy" spreads because I've seen the grey sludge that they really are before the addition of all the colourings and flavour enhancers. Look for all the fatties out there, there'll still be plenty of Jim Fix characters. Starve yourself to the bone or run yourself into the ground if you wish. Don't tell me how to live my fooking life

Rinkadink wrote: Of course, is using Google really that hard? http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2008/10/17/48030/obesity-set-to-cost-nhs-up-to-6.3bn-a-year-by-2015.html The 2015 date has since been brought forward due to the ever-increasing numbers of overweight citizens. You can have paid your tax for 45 years or more but you still haven't offset the cost to the NHS for your self-inflicted poor health, this is when it crosses over into being everyone else's problem as well. A fat tax would certainly help, much as smokers pay extra for the privilege of freedom, a similar tax on alcohol wouldn't go amiss either as its also costing the NHS a great deal in this day and age. Sorry to burst your bubble but being overweight is certainly a serious problem that is costing everyone dearly, why should others have to fund your fat addiction? I asked for facts and methodology to determine those facts not an opinion stated by a discredited Chief Medical Officer over three years ago. I rarely eat processed junk. My fats consist of dripping (beef & pork), butter, lard, goose fat and olive oil. I would never knowingly eat and margarine or any "healthy" spreads because I've seen the grey sludge that they really are before the addition of all the colourings and flavour enhancers. Look for all the fatties out there, there'll still be plenty of Jim Fix characters. Starve yourself to the bone or run yourself into the ground if you wish. Don't tell me how to live my fooking life

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:29 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

so by that theory then the same rules must apply to smokers & drinkers,not to mention junkies with all the diseases that they may contract which must be costing the NHS (as well as every health service in the world) billions each year ?


you're not a drinker or smoker Rinkadink by any chance ?

Don't be daft, the NHS should only be there for healthy people

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:33 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

so by that theory then the same rules must apply to smokers & drinkers

Of course, smokers already pay through the nose for the privilege as I alluded to before. You also pay increased tax on alcohol albeit a smaller amount when compared to cigarettes, it might need increasing?

not to mention junkies with all the diseases that they may contract which must be costing the NHS (as well as every health service in the world) billions each year ?

All of the above are drugs, I take it you mean illegal ones? If so the cost to the NHS is negligible, especially when compared to the £6.2 billion figure. I say legalise them all and use the tax generated to cover rehab costs and the like. It will also be safer for users.

you're not a drinker or smoker Rinkadink by any chance ?

Ex-smoker and very occasional drinker, maybe a few pints once a month.

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:36 pm  

cod'ead wrote: Don't tell me how to live my fooking life Thought you said you didn't care what I thought. Besides, seems you're in denial which is a classic sign of addiction. Is there any need to swear? The Department of Health is more than one person you know; Here

cod'ead wrote: Don't tell me how to live my fooking life Thought you said you didn't care what I thought. Besides, seems you're in denial which is a classic sign of addiction. Is there any need to swear? The Department of Health is more than one person you know; Here

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:54 pm  

Rinkadink wrote: :CRAZY: Thought you said you didn't care what I thought. Besides, seems you're in denial which is a classic sign of addiction. Is there any need to swear? The Department of Health is more than one person you know; Here This is why Donaldson was discredited: From your link above: In 2007, the Government-commissioned Foresight report predicted that if no action was taken, 60% of men, 50% of women and 25% of children would be obese by 2050. And from your earlier link: England's chief medical officer Sir Liam Donaldson said: "In England, almost two-thirds of adults and a third of children are either overweight or obese without effective action this could rise to nine in 10 adults and two-thirds of children by 2050," He blurs the definition of obese and overweight and fruit-loops like you jump on it. I'm not in denial at all, as I said earlier in this thread, I used to weight 12.5 stones, ran 25 miles per week, refereed and ran lines at up to four games per week. All the time smoking 40 fags a day and drinking more than the government suggests is healthy. The long-term damage caused by training for and playing rugby, to my knees, hips and hands has cost the NHS far more than my diet, drinking or smoking. Maybe we should ban sport? Oh and I'll be dead long before 2050, so I shouldn't be a problem

Rinkadink wrote: :CRAZY: Thought you said you didn't care what I thought. Besides, seems you're in denial which is a classic sign of addiction. Is there any need to swear? The Department of Health is more than one person you know; Here This is why Donaldson was discredited: From your link above: In 2007, the Government-commissioned Foresight report predicted that if no action was taken, 60% of men, 50% of women and 25% of children would be obese by 2050. And from your earlier link: England's chief medical officer Sir Liam Donaldson said: "In England, almost two-thirds of adults and a third of children are either overweight or obese without effective action this could rise to nine in 10 adults and two-thirds of children by 2050," He blurs the definition of obese and overweight and fruit-loops like you jump on it. I'm not in denial at all, as I said earlier in this thread, I used to weight 12.5 stones, ran 25 miles per week, refereed and ran lines at up to four games per week. All the time smoking 40 fags a day and drinking more than the government suggests is healthy. The long-term damage caused by training for and playing rugby, to my knees, hips and hands has cost the NHS far more than my diet, drinking or smoking. Maybe we should ban sport? Oh and I'll be dead long before 2050, so I shouldn't be a problem

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:12 pm  

Many of the complications involved with obesity do not materialize until the later years of someone's life. I do not think that sporting injuries amount to obesity's £4.2 billion cost to the NHS in 2008. Happy to be proven wrong though if you can provide the evidence?

The main point still stands, unlike the USA where we have nationalised healthcare someone who isn't you is paying the bill for your lack of effort to remain at a healthy weight. At no point did i suggest we ban anything, but maybe there is some way to recover the costs?

It's been an interesting debate anyway, I mean no ill.

Re: British Women fattest in europe : Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:24 pm  

Rinkadink wrote:

Many of the complications involved with obesity do not materialize until the later years of someone's life. I do not think that sporting injuries amount to obesity's £4.2 billion cost to the NHS in 2008. Happy to be proven wrong though if you can provide the evidence?

The main point still stands, unlike the USA where we have nationalised healthcare someone who isn't you is paying the bill for your lack of effort to remain at a healthy weight. At no point did i suggest we ban anything, but maybe there is some way to recover the costs?

You ask me to prove something? You're the one making so-far unsubstantiated assertions and your comparison with the a US-style system of healthcare is pure bollox. I am paying (and have been for the last 45 years) for someone else's healthcare, whether that be caused by obesity, drug overdoses, sex reassignment or traffic collisions. I don't have a problem with that, I'm quite happy to keep contributing. What I don't need is some evangelical nutjob like you, telling me what I should or shouldn't be eating or how much exercise I should take. If I can still drag a bass or turbot off the sea bed and then put it on my plate, then I'm happy.