[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:37 pm  

I'm not so sure. We buy a lot from the EU because we want and need what they produce. The alternatives aren't as attractive. People will just end up paying more for them.

Hyundai or Chrysler over BMW or Audi?

Chlorine washed chicken over the healthier Euro variety?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:29 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

I'm not so sure. We buy a lot from the EU because we want and need what they produce. The alternatives aren't as attractive. People will just end up paying more for them.

Hyundai or Chrysler over BMW or Audi?

Chlorine washed chicken over the healthier Euro variety?

If anything is wrong food wise in the USA the legal boys sue at the drop of a hat. I presume you may have used swimming baths in the UK. Majority use chlorine without any ill effects. Lots of non eu countries can supply us with goods either cheaper or the equivalent price. The French food and wine industry are starting to panic, they estimate if trade deal is not agreed it could cost them millions. Simply because we can buy good wines from Australia, California, Chile, Argentina. Our cheese industry is capable of producing top quality cheese. As for cars, Nissan seem to be good value, as per Hyundai and Toyota. As for food coming into the UK from the eu, remember the horse meat scam in so called mince meat.

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:28 am  

Backwoodsman wrote:

If anything is wrong food wise in the USA the legal boys sue at the drop of a hat.

But if the law is changed as it will be post Brexit then no legal boys will sue until harm occurs, probably much later. So is that alright then?

Backwoodsman wrote:

I presume you may have used swimming baths in the UK. Majority use chlorine without any ill effects.

I do but I don’t drink the water or eat my fellow swimmers. Too much exposure to chlorine is harmful.

Backwoodsman wrote:

The French food and wine industry are starting to panic, they estimate if trade deal is not agreed it could cost them millions.

Evidence?

Backwoodsman wrote:

Simply because we can buy good wines from Australia, California, Chile, Argentina.

Always could. If people want French wine they’ll have to pay for it when the price goes up. Most of the cheaper end is from the new world anyway.

Backwoodsman wrote:

Our cheese industry is capable of producing top quality cheese.

Undoubtedly but it won’t be the varieties we get from Europe. They’ll go up in price. So we’ll have to pay more if we want them.

Backwoodsman wrote:

As for cars, Nissan seem to be good value, as per Hyundai and Toyota.

If any of those are manufactured in the EU we’ll have to pay more for them anyway as they’ll be imported from an EU state. For instance Toyota manufacture many models in France, Czech Republic, Portugal and Poland. Hyundai’s made for Europe are made in Germany, Czech Republic and Turkey. It’ll be interesting to see what Nissan do if we’re outside the customs partnership. They have plants already in France and Spain as well as here. They won’t want to pay more to import parts into the UK to manufacture cars and then pay to export them into the EU unless the government somehow gives them a massive backhander (imagine the fallout if that happened).

From what I can see Brexit will mean that if we import it from the EU it’ll cost us more so people will see their choice in consumer goods restricted.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:24 pm  

I would suggest there are very few products that we get from the EU that cannot be sourced elsewhere with the exception of food and wine. If you can afford expensive Bordeaux/Burgundy/Champagne then a small increase in tariff isn't going to stop you.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:33 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

But if the law is changed as it will be post Brexit then no legal boys will sue until harm occurs, probably much later. So is that alright then?

I do but I don’t drink the water or eat my fellow swimmers. Too much exposure to chlorine is harmful.

Evidence?

Always could. If people want French wine they’ll have to pay for it when the price goes up. Most of the cheaper end is from the new world anyway.

Undoubtedly but it won’t be the varieties we get from Europe. They’ll go up in price. So we’ll have to pay more if we want them.

If any of those are manufactured in the EU we’ll have to pay more for them anyway as they’ll be imported from an EU state. For instance Toyota manufacture many models in France, Czech Republic, Portugal and Poland. Hyundai’s made for Europe are made in Germany, Czech Republic and Turkey. It’ll be interesting to see what Nissan do if we’re outside the customs partnership. They have plants already in France and Spain as well as here. They won’t want to pay more to import parts into the UK to manufacture cars and then pay to export them into the EU unless the government somehow gives them a massive backhander (imagine the fallout if that happened).

From what I can see Brexit will mean that if we import it from the EU it’ll cost us more so people will see their choice in consumer goods restricted.

Evidence .
The times ,June 8th spokesman for the Bordeaux wine council Allen Sichel urges politicians to strike a deal to avoid tariffs. Britain is the second largest market for French wines
Cheese, I assume you know how cheese is produced,we have literally hundreds of top quality British cheese makers. Go online and view ,it’s very impressive indeed.
Chlorine, this has been used for years in the USA to kill salmonella in chicken. As of yet no major problems. Crops in this country are sprayed with various substances, some of which have raised safety concerns.
Cars. The market is saturated with different models of cars, the customer is spoiled for choice. Quite obviously Germany exports high volumes of cars to the UK. Can’t see Mercedes, bmw etc etc agreeing to high tariffs on cars.
If the dumbass politicians would step aside and let the leaders of major industry get involved. The situation would be resolved to the benefit of everybody.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:37 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

But if the law is changed as it will be post Brexit then no legal boys will sue until harm occurs, probably much later. So is that alright then?

I do but I don’t drink the water or eat my fellow swimmers. Too much exposure to chlorine is harmful.

Evidence?

Always could. If people want French wine they’ll have to pay for it when the price goes up. Most of the cheaper end is from the new world anyway.

Undoubtedly but it won’t be the varieties we get from Europe. They’ll go up in price. So we’ll have to pay more if we want them.

If any of those are manufactured in the EU we’ll have to pay more for them anyway as they’ll be imported from an EU state. For instance Toyota manufacture many models in France, Czech Republic, Portugal and Poland. Hyundai’s made for Europe are made in Germany, Czech Republic and Turkey. It’ll be interesting to see what Nissan do if we’re outside the customs partnership. They have plants already in France and Spain as well as here. They won’t want to pay more to import parts into the UK to manufacture cars and then pay to export them into the EU unless the government somehow gives them a massive backhander (imagine the fallout if that happened).

From what I can see Brexit will mean that if we import it from the EU it’ll cost us more so people will see their choice in consumer goods restricted.

Evidence .
The times ,June 8th spokesman for the Bordeaux wine council Allen Sichel urges politicians to strike a deal to avoid tariffs. Britain is the second largest market for French wines
Cheese, I assume you know how cheese is produced,we have literally hundreds of top quality British cheese makers. Go online and view ,it’s very impressive indeed.
Chlorine, this has been used for years in the USA to kill salmonella in chicken. As of yet no major problems. Crops in this country are sprayed with various substances, some of which have raised safety concerns.
Cars. The market is saturated with different models of cars, the customer is spoiled for choice. Quite obviously Germany exports high volumes of cars to the UK. Can’t see Mercedes, bmw etc etc agreeing to high tariffs on cars.
If the dumbass politicians would step aside and let the leaders of major industry get involved. The situation would be resolved to the benefit of everybody.

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:44 am  

Car manufacturers have already said they want to protect the integrity of the single market.

If we want anything made in the EU it'll cost us more after Brexit.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:26 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Car manufacturers have already said they want to protect the integrity of the single market.

If we want anything made in the EU it'll cost us more after Brexit.

Of course it will doesn't mean products from everywhere else will though - do we have to continue buying the same amount of product from Europe is it compulsary or can we swap out EU product for similar product from elsewhere?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:33 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Of course it will doesn't mean products from everywhere else will though - do we have to continue buying the same amount of product from Europe is it compulsary or can we swap out EU product for similar product from elsewhere?

Some countries produce the best products in different sectors or have companies which produce the best in different sectors. They are not always interchangeable.

It takes some ideological obsession to decide that the country's best interests are served by trying to import something from further away just because you have some bizarre phobia of the trading partnership we are in with our geographically nearest neighbours. For many products it just isn't possible, certainly not in a short period of time. And even if the base goods are cheaper the landed cost certainly it won't be cheaper until you get a trade arrangement with those other countries (which will take decades to achieve until when you are obliged to WTO rules) and if the higher transit costs don't offset the costs.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:55 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Some countries produce the best products in different sectors or have companies which produce the best in different sectors. They are not always interchangeable.

It takes some ideological obsession to decide that the country's best interests are served by trying to import something from further away just because you have some bizarre phobia of the trading partnership we are in with our geographically nearest neighbours. For many products it just isn't possible, certainly not in a short period of time. And even if the base goods are cheaper the landed cost certainly it won't be cheaper until you get a trade arrangement with those other countries (which will take decades to achieve until when you are obliged to WTO rules) and if the higher transit costs don't offset the costs.

So could you explain why we can import goods from the Far East that are significantly cheaper than we can source in Europe e.g. Steel. All the products that we currently import from outside of the EU will be no more expensive than they are, currency fluctuations considered - would you agree?