DaveO wrote:
Still clinging to the ridiculous notion it hurts them as well as us so 27 other countries will cave in are we?
Cave in? Why does anyone need to 'cave in'. Neither side wants a damaging solution and while I've stated repeatedly we're unlikely to see exactly the same conditions as we have now within the EU, I doubt there will be punitive conditions in place.
And frankly I have no problem with taking a hit to extricate ourselves from the EU.
A hard brexit will be political suicide for the Tories as well. You seem to be confused between laws and regulations. We will have to adhere to agree to regulations if we want to trade with them post Brexit anyway. They will not accept anything from us that does not comply with their regulations be it bacon or cars. Get used to the EU dictating what we can do without us having a say in those self same rules. It's what you voted for.
You mean the regulations we already meet, and in many cases, exceed? Why would this be a problem? Most of those regulations are perfectly reasonable.
Hard...soft...both irrelevant terms and entirely subjective. Brexit will be what Brexit is.
BTW, EU regulations are still EU law - 'secondary legislation', no less. No confusion here.
If we have a trade deal there will need to be aribritation to handle disputes. The EU might agree it is not the ECJ but even if they do, we don't get to dictate the rules.
Shocking...legal bodies are required to handle arbitration? Again, I see no problem with this. Of course we won't get to dictate the rules, but neither will the EU. That's not generally how disputes or negotiations are handled. Existing EU law is being enshrined in UK law as I'm sure you're aware, thus maintaining parity. If in the future we choose to duplicate a new EU law it'll be because it's in our best interests, not because the EU has demanded it.
As to remaining in the customs union restricting our ability to conclude trade deals with other countries you are dead right. It does. What you can't see though is that the world doesn't owe the UK any favours. When we will seek a trade deal with the USA, India or China when they say jump, we will ask "how high". As part of the EU we can annoy Trump and NOT accept all the rubbish they want to send us such as chlorinated chicken of GM modified foodstuffs. Outside the EU that will be the price of a trade deal and once we accept the rubbish other countries will insist on selling us we immediately exclude ourselves from the EU market.
Agreeing trade deals doesn't hinge on anyone 'owing favours'. What an utterly ridiculous notion. It generally comes down to a proposition, mutual benefit and agreement. You're making a lot of assumptions here, one of which is that we can't possible stand up for ourselves in negotiations. Another is that emotion plays a key part of trade negotiations. My, how does the rest of the world survive outside the EU?
The problem you quitters have is you think a) the EU stance is all a bluff which it is not and b) there as a world of trade out there we can tap into which there isn't, because the rest of the world already buys exactly what it wants from us now. There are no vast new markets we are primed to exploit.
The problem blinkered (and apparently drunk) Remoaners have is sweeping generalisations. I'm sure you're aware the EU Customs Union acts as a barrier to outside goods and services and indeed trade deals, which will open up. And meanwhile trade with the EU will continue.
Dave's idea of Brexit negotiations:
Barnier: You don't frighten us, English pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Prime Minister, you and all your silly English kaniggets. Thppppt!
May: What a strange person.
Davis: Now look here, my good man!
Barnier: I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough whopper! I fart in your general direction! You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
This is by the way ignoring the obvious practical problems that if a customs union ceases to exist post brexit manufacturing industry will grind to a halt. And the politics of Northern Ireland.
The idea that everything will grind to a halt is another ridiculous notion. Sure, some sectors and businesses will need to adapt, just as they do after every boom & bust.
Brexit is a complete mess and it really is not going to work out well.
And that, Dave, is why you shouldn't post when drunk. Also why you shouldn't buy every line coming out of Brussels and the leftist press.
