Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:23 pm  

Dally wrote:

I voted Brexit for the simple reason that I believe the EU is a dangerous organisation that would enormously impoverish the UK in the years ahead through its protectionist, inefficiency. I also voted because there is no point in being a member without being part of the Eurozone - the reality of staying on that basis was we would never be part of it. If we'd joined then as a geographically peripheral region whose economy is not always in synch with Germany's we'd suffer great hardship by being unable to devalue the currency and adjust interest rates when the need arises. I voted Brexit because I can see no case, and never have seen a case, to be in it. The whole thing has been a lie from day one for the UK.

Glad you see things that way.
Shows quite well how out of touch with reality the general public are.
I'm still trying to figure out what we have we have to manufacture to sell to world besides "financial services " which once outside and not following Euro rules means Frankfurt will easily take over Londons mantle. You are aware that the banking industry is planning this.
So what do we have?
Japanese cars?
Closing down Indian steel works.
Ship building?
Minerals?
Digital businesses?
Chemical companies like ICI.
Dyson products actually made in the U.K.?
A highly skilled educated workforce with transferable knowledge and experience?

Of course the U.K. can stand on it's own. The trouble is so many do not understand the word austerity, somehow I think they soon will once the process of leaving the European market has happened.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:23 pm  

What does this country have?

A significant manufacturing sector - if you don't believe that suggest you watch a top gear episode where they line up all types of vehicles produced in the UK it was huge - everything from Funeral cars to JCB to Maclaren sports cars - that is just one sector.

We are incredibly innovative as a country with a host of highly skilled workers - ask yourself why most the F1 teams are based in the UK and use UK based products on their vehicles.

Everyone keeps saying this is the 5th biggest economy in the world - it must have some things going for it or it would never have got as big as it is.

As for Frankfurt taking over from London - not a chance - especially as Paris is also trying to dissolve Frankfurt's position

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:34 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Everyone keeps saying this is the 5th biggest economy in the world - it must have some things going for it or it would never have got as big as it is.

I wonder if unfettered access to a trading bloc of 500 million people and the free movement of cheap labour had anything to do with it?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:56 pm  

Having been "embedded" in the EU for 40+ years, with all the positives and negatives that the system has brought, it's no wonder that the exit is going to be long and arduous.
It amazes me to hear people say "we voted out and we want to be out now !", without any thought whatsoever on just how this is going to be achieved.
It shows what a mickey poor job that Cameron and his campaigning team did in the run up to the referendum.
There was no discussion or questioning on hw we would actualy progress in the event of a "leave" vote.
Maybe the really were certain that we would remain ?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:17 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

What does this country have?

A significant manufacturing sector - if you don't believe that suggest you watch a top gear episode where they line up all types of vehicles produced in the UK it was huge - everything from Funeral cars to JCB to Maclaren sports cars - that is just one sector.

We are incredibly innovative as a country with a host of highly skilled workers - ask yourself why most the F1 teams are based in the UK and use UK based products on their vehicles.

Everyone keeps saying this is the 5th biggest economy in the world - it must have some things going for it or it would never have got as big as it is.

As for Frankfurt taking over from London - not a chance - especially as Paris is also trying to dissolve Frankfurt's position

I wasn't aware of how big the formula 1 was in terms of economic strength and employment within the U.K. The people in Grimethorpe, South Shields and Chatham must be overjoyed at the jobs this has created.
Paris or Frankfurt, it really doesn't matter , as the UK will not have the financial clout once out. As stated previously the banks are making plans.
I work in a very hi tech business and currently redundancy is happening with the company going for single sourcing of components at the cheapest price worldwide. Quality,is taking a back seat to bean counting. The company has very fussy clients and believes this strategy will pay off. It might short term but the product we make and sell has few competitors and at the high end none.
Lose the skill to cheaper countries with their harder understanding for a quick buck? Welcome to backward Britain where the turkeys who voted for Christmas won.
We live in interesting times, and wait and see what happens after the election in the USA, the situation could be even more interesting.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:25 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Maybe the really were certain that we would remain ?

There's no doubt it, Cameron thought it was a done deal. His parting shot of "why should I do the hard poop?" suggested he'd planned for nothing but a remain win. Just like the leave side thought it was a done deal that we'd vote remain too. No forward planning for a leave vote whatsoever it turned out.

I think Boris secretly wanted a very narrow remain win so he could dislodge Cameron by saying he'd lost the confidence of nearly half of the electorate.

The whole event has merely exposed a plethora of political lightweights all willing to dirty their already grubby little fingers for a bit of career progression.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:45 am  

bren2k wrote:

I wonder if unfettered access to a trading bloc of 500 million people and the free movement of cheap labour had anything to do with it?

If that were the case how come France, Italy, Spain and Greece don't seem to have benefitted to anything like the same degree?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:31 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

If that were the case how come France, Italy, Spain and Greece don't seem to have benefitted to anything like the same degree?

Because they have a completely different set of economic circumstances and clearly didn't do what they needed to do to leverage their position in the EU to their advantage; and they didn't retain their own currency?

Interesting interview with the French Agriculture Minister on Newsnight last night; he relayed a story of meeting with his UK counterpart pre-referendum during which he asked what would happen if there was Brexit; said counterpart replied, "There will be no Brexit." In his words - "I was more worried about it than he was." Which does seem to bear out the view that the Remain campaign were far too casual about the prospect of Brexit - the political establishment assumed Remain would win, and Boris got on board purely as a strategy to oust his old Eton rival from Downing Street - and ran for the hills when the unthinkable happened.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:32 pm  

I see the economy has grown 0.5% since the Brexit vote, rather than shrunk dramatically.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:55 pm  

Dally wrote:

I see the economy has grown 0.5% since the Brexit vote, rather than shrunk dramatically.

i see that too!