Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:10 am  

Chris28 wrote:

Why not?

Seriously?

The benefit is there to enable them to get around, not to help satisfy their desire for a "nicer" car.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:16 am  

Right im off to bed ive been working in leeds all day, then ive come home to do my second job, so that one day i might have enough money to have children and try to give them the best start possible in life.
Some people are just happy to sit on there ar$e and wait for money off others, that have had to work damn hard for!!

Id rather say no thanks i did it on my own.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:21 am  

The Last Word!

Margaret Thatcher, 1987.
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I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:21 am  

Seeing as the number of unemployed rose and the social welfare bill also rose under Margaret Thatcher, her fine speech was up there with Gordon Brown saying no more boom and bust.

Why did she not get the lazy into work and reduce the burden of welfare being shouldered by the taxpayer?

I agree with the sentiment of what she said, Tony Blair talked on similar grounds ten years later, when he was going on about responsibilities as well as rights, a hand up rather than a hand out. And unlike Thatcher he actually got Britain back into work and the economy on track.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:02 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Saved me the bother of explaining it.

Child benefit is one small part of the ridiculous benefits that people get simply on account of having kids.

No it isn't.

Child benefit is a universal benefit available to all. To include child benefit in the calculations for capping benefits, is effectively punishing some children simply for being born.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:19 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

You shouldn't be able to get a £30k car on mobability "matey"

They've capped it at 25k, and why not anyway? I've come to the conclusion that people who spout venom regarding the motability scheme are jealous. Well I can tell you "matey", take my "30k" car but take my disability as well lets see if the venom is still coming from your mouth then.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:29 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

You shouldn't be able to get a £30k car on mobability "matey"

Just for you information not that its none of your business but I'll tell you anyway to educate you a little. I drive a Citroen Berlingo. I chose the Berlingo because its high enough for me to be able to get in and out of due to my bi lateral hip replacements, knee replacement and foot fusion and I can fit my wheelchair and ramp or motbility scooter in the boot. Its not a 30k car, its a van with windows. Still jealous of my 30k car and want one?

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:29 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Seriously?

The benefit is there to enable them to get around, not to help satisfy their desire for a "nicer" car.

How do you propose they do that then?

If they require a bigger vehicle, they can always be provided with a 1964 Commer van couldn't they? Or as you previously stated, we could always go back to providing those nice, light-blue, three-wheelers that we used to see on the roads. Then everyone would be able to instantly recognise all the sponging benefits cheats.

Or maybe we could just leave them to fester in their own homes? After all, they're of absolutely no use to society, so why should we be providing them with the means to gambol around the country, clogging up the roads ('cos they're all crap drivers) and causing further inconvenience and cost to the British taxpayer?

Nowt like a bit of stigma in times of austerity eh?

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:06 am  

Coach wrote:

We have no money left and people that scratch their ar$e all day need to get off it and start to bloo&y work and leave what bit of money that is left for people that really need it (oh no they don't want them jobs though do they to hard for them).

I agree. Let's get those 2.8 million people forced into those 800,000 jobs.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:23 am  

cod'ead wrote:

How do you propose they do that then?

If they require a bigger vehicle, they can always be provided with a 1964 Commer van couldn't they? Or as you previously stated, we could always go back to providing those nice, light-blue, three-wheelers that we used to see on the roads. Then everyone would be able to instantly recognise all the sponging benefits cheats.

Or maybe we could just leave them to fester in their own homes? After all, they're of absolutely no use to society, so why should we be providing them with the means to gambol around the country, clogging up the roads ('cos they're all crap drivers) and causing further inconvenience and cost to the British taxpayer?

Nowt like a bit of stigma in times of austerity eh?

Coddy what Brett Kenny (not the real one I hope!) doesn't realise is that as long as I could get my equipment into it and it was ok for me to get in and out of this would do me nicely, I don't care about prices and looks (I drive a Berlingo ffs!!) - he just reckons I want to show off my shiny 30k car!! Maybe he should look up The Daily Mail's apology they had to print over their damn right lies over the Motability Scheme, but he won't because its easier for him to believe their propaganda.