Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:43 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Ignore all the evidence - take on the views of the right wing media by osmosis - and repeat it ad infinitum until you convince yourself its true. Meanwhile, the NHS is collapsing, we're hurtling towards severing ties with our biggest trading partner, the national debt has gone up by 700 trillion, and more and more people are in poverty. But you're alright - thanks in large part to a better opportunities created by a kinder politics - so balls to everyone else.

I sometimes wish I saw life in as facile and deliberately ill-informed way as people like you; I'd probably sleep better.

Bren Abbott

Top points made as usual. For people like Sal who lives in a bubble where every person has the same opportunity as the next person, and neither he nor anyone he knows is struggling, I can see why he'd be attracted to Tory ideas. It comes down to putting a few extra quid in his pocket above helping those in our society who struggle the most.

A well funded NHS, education, infrastructure, policing etc all help create an environment whereby entrepreneurs and big business can flourish in this country. They're able to take advantage of an educated, talented & skilful workforce, a healthy workforce, infrastructure meaning they can attract talent from a wider area, a safer and stable country that's adequately policed. That's the vital bit he simply can't grasp.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:48 pm  

DGM wrote:

Bren Abbott

Top points made as usual. For people like Sal who lives in a bubble where every person has the same opportunity as the next person, and neither he nor anyone he knows is struggling, I can see why he'd be attracted to Tory ideas. It comes down to putting a few extra quid in his pocket above helping those in our society who struggle the most.

A well funded NHS, education, infrastructure, policing etc all help create an environment whereby entrepreneurs and big business can flourish in this country. They're able to take advantage of an educated, talented & skilful workforce, a healthy workforce, infrastructure meaning they can attract talent from a wider area, a safer and stable country that's adequately policed. That's the vital bit he simply can't grasp.

Well said that man

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:55 pm  

Meanwhile in the real world the Tories, not content with controlling 90% of the written media, are putting more pressure on the BBC, accusing them of left wing bias & effectively blaming them for the Tories pathetic performance at last night's leaders' debate.

[TimperleySaint]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:10 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Ignore all the evidence - take on the views of the right wing media by osmosis - and repeat it ad infinitum until you convince yourself its true. Meanwhile, the NHS is collapsing, we're hurtling towards severing ties with our biggest trading partner, the national debt has gone up by 700 trillion, and more and more people are in poverty. But you're alright - thanks in large part to a better opportunities created by a kinder politics - so balls to everyone else.

I sometimes wish I saw life in as facile and deliberately ill-informed way as people like you; I'd probably sleep better.

Ignore all the comebacks, take on all the views of the lefty media and continually just keep saying the rich are too rich, make them pay for everything!

I agree that all those things do need funding, no doubt about it, but sick of hearing "tax the rich" as the only option.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:30 pm  

Mike Oxlong wrote:

Ignore all the comebacks, take on all the views of the lefty media and continually just keep saying the rich are too rich, make them pay for everything!

Who is "all the lefty media"?

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:36 pm  

Mike Oxlong wrote:

Ignore all the comebacks, take on all the views of the lefty media and continually just keep saying the rich are too rich, make them pay for everything!

I agree that all those things do need funding, no doubt about it, but sick of hearing "tax the rich" as the only option.

Don't worry, if May wins the GE then she will just force NHS trusts to sell their assets. It seems to be the way of Tory Governments to sell everything off so they can say 'Look we have a stable economy'

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:36 pm  

Mike Oxlong wrote:

Ignore all the comebacks, take on all the views of the lefty media and continually just keep saying the rich are too rich, make them pay for everything!

I agree that all those things do need funding, no doubt about it, but sick of hearing "tax the rich" as the only option.

It's a better tag line than "strong and stable" which is Teresa May's dream and has sod all to do with her government or the country's economy.
Of course, it's far easier to say that you will tax the top 5%, rather than risk upsetting the other 95% and tracking down the tax avoiders at the top of the pile will pay greater dividends than trying to cut a few quid from the disabled and the pensioners.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:39 pm  

" I found it particularly amusing when Angus Robertson fired off at the PM for being nowhere to be seen when his esteemed leader was MIA too!"

Robertson is leader of the SNP in the UK Parliament. Sturgeon and the Scottish Parliament are not up for election until 2021. So why would a Leader not involved in an election be expected to take part in this election debate?

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:50 pm  

Mike Oxlong wrote:

Ignore all the comebacks, take on all the views of the lefty media and continually just keep saying the rich are too rich, make them pay for everything!

I agree that all those things do need funding, no doubt about it, but sick of hearing "tax the rich" as the only option.

It's not the only option, other plans are to renationalise profit making enterprises instead of selling them off while our chums and partners buy shares in the companies that bought them!

All of the austerity budgets have been targeted at the poor. Service cuts, health cuts, schools, social care, police - all cut by address the deficit caused by greedy bankers. We have paid a heavy price for their greed... time for them to pay a bit back.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:33 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

It's not the only option, other plans are to renationalise profit making enterprises instead of selling them off while our chums and partners buy shares in the companies that bought them!

All of the austerity budgets have been targeted at the poor. Service cuts, health cuts, schools, social care, police - all cut by address the deficit caused by greedy bankers. We have paid a heavy price for their greed... time for them to pay a bit back.

One thing is for certain anything that is renationalised will run at greater deficit than it does now. IIRC most of us had an option to buy shares in many of the industries the Tories de-nationalised.

The government can only cut the costs it manages - it hardly say to Barclays this is how you must run your company - that is not how it works as much as you would like it to.