Well lets try another scenario, if the Tories had been in power, how many would have voted against going to war.



I tend to swerve her speeches & wait for the pundits to summarise. But by the sound of it, both J.R-M & the Soubry gang seem pleased with the mood music, is that not the case?

It’s 2018 dude. Putting a laughing smiley doesn’t give your argument credence. Laughing smileys were all the rage in 2007. A higher percentage of tories voted for it than labour. So whilst that buffoon Blair started the ball rolling, the tories rubbed their hands wiTh glee when voting YES

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King James

Who knows? Perhaps a Tory PM would have refused to go to war altogether? We'll never know. It's hypothetical and pointless. What we do know is one Anthony Charles Lynton Blair and the Labour Party happily took us into the war. One of several reasons I'll never vote Labour again.


So I was correct, you haven't listened to it. Yet you comment on it.

Anyone who bases their views purely on pundits really doesn't deserve the time of day.

It's not supposed to give any credence. It's purely to indicate my amusement at you.



245 Labour MPs, 146 Tories. Nothing will ever change that fact. Suck it up.

What a pointless argument; Tony Blair let millions of Labour voters down, and is a war criminal - and all MP's who voted with him are complicit, regardless of party affiliation.

Fast forward to the present day - one Mr J Corbyn, with a flawless history of voting against interventionist wars, will be the next PM; so Cronus can rest easy that we won't be doing that again. And Brexit is still a pig in a poke - Mrs May's speech (which I did watch) is full of jingoistic, wishful cakeism, the majority of which she knows will never happen; it was yet another exercise in appeasing the 62 hard-line Brextremists in her own party, who seem intent on driving us of a cliff.

Unfortunately you are correct regarding corbyn. Due to an inept Tory party, jezza will be the next prime minister, that would be a disaster for this country. But under a democratic system I will have to accept that scenario.
Unlike some of the political class in this country, who are determined to overturn the democratic vote of leaving the European Union.

You make an interesting point "under a democratic system I will have to accept that scenario"

It is a shame that those who lost the vote cannot put that behind and contribute positively to achieving the best result for the country. There appears to be some vanity that suggests if they belly-ache enough they will get their way.

The border in Ireland should not be an issue - freight is moved across borders all over the world with electronic customs clearance and without the need for permanent border patrols.

Using your bench mark on democracy and accepting democratic decisions in Parliament, why is it that anyone feels the need to bring up the Iraq war, something voted on by our esteemed MP's.

Surely, on an open forum, we SHOULD be discussing what may be right, or wrong, with the events of the day.
Ultimately, it would be one hell of a risk for Parliament not to uphold the will of the people.

However, as negotiations move along, it's certainly worth Parliament having to ratify a deal prior to it's implementation and if the result is so far removed from the idea that was "sold", it may also be right to go to the electorate, either in a General Election of a second referendum.

With how things are beginning to play out and with May hinting at continued payments to the EU and concessions towards the European Parliament, it could well be the "vote leave" side that aren't happy with the deal.

Oh, the irony.

Another interesting trope developed by Leavers - that we need to 'get behind' Brexit and 'make a success of it.' What does that look like exactly? And if I (and the increasing numbers of people who think it's economic suicide) suddenly start to send out positive Brexit vibes, will that be enough to fend off the inevitable decline in our economic outlook? If enough people start to believe that you actually *can* have your cake and eat it, will that make it true?

Brexitiers are a bit like the pyramid sales "experts" of the 90's.
Always telling people that things were "brilliant" or "great", unfortunately, they all had to get proper jobs in the end, although, like now, there are just a few, at the top of the pile, who did quite well out of the dodgy dealings.
But, it was never any good for the masses, who were just a little worse off at the end.

As hypothetical & pointless as it is, if you're trying to tell me the Tories wouldn't have done the same thing, you really are deluding yourself.



Just because I'm selective on who I'm prepared to listen to, I don't deserve the time of day!

I don't base my views purely on pundits, I just choose not to listen to the Tory puppet.

So was I incorrect when I stated both sides of the Tory divide seem fairly happy with May's stance, which seems a tad strange don't you think, or am I too contemptible to deserve a response?

Indeed.
The Yanks took us to war and unfortunately, if the same scenario were to come around in future, we would follow them again, it's the price to pay for being their puppet and outside the EU, we will need them as an ally more than ever.
Blair was doing precisely what Bush wanted, nothing more, nothing less and yes, the Tories would have done the same.
What would happen with Corbyn in charge, who knows but, even he may fall into line, unless we find a new super power as our "best mate".