Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 8:37 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Of course you could employ a lot me police officers so everyone can get their insurance claims settled earlier!!

Perhaps if we spent the money tackling the root cause of so many robberies

You miss my point; and who do you think tackles the root cause of more serious crime? Community police officers of course - who have been decimated by the ideological Tory cuts.

It's nice to see the level of respect you have for the police - "note taking girls and guys in blue uniforms." Classy that.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 10:01 am  

bren2k wrote:

You miss my point; and who do you think tackles the root cause of more serious crime? Community police officers of course - who have been decimated by the ideological Tory cuts.

It's nice to see the level of respect you have for the police - "note taking girls and guys in blue uniforms." Classy that.

Community police officers don't sort serious social issues like drug abuse, gang crime or drink driving they are society issues that need innovative high level solutions. You miss the point completely.

Last week I watched a program at abuse of minor by Pakistani men in Rochdale - 3 girls. The police allowed that abuse to go one despite knowing what was going on for years. Not one police officer was disciplined or lost their job - no acceptance they got it wrong. Same goes for Hillsborough etc. When the police stop covering up their mistakes and closing ranks that will be a time to have some respect for the service and how it conducts itself.

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 10:42 am  

TBF SY Police have accepted they made mistakes at Hillsborough.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 11:11 am  

Bullseye wrote:

TBF SY Police have accepted they made mistakes at Hillsborough.

Is that the same force that had to remove David Crompton because he tried to shift the blame away from the police after the inquest verdict?

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 11:15 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Perhaps if the elephant in the room i.e. drugs were tackled using an enlightened approach then domestic crime might actually drop?

I agree entirely. What is your enlightened approach?

Of course its so much better to take the Labour approach throw loads of money at it - that will sort it. Pity they struggle with how much it will cost

An enlightened approach will take investment initially. Enlightenment & investment are not words I would ever associate with the Tories.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 12:14 pm  

Moving on slightly.
The value of the pound has dropped this morning, amid fears of a hung parliament.

Have the Tories taken the electorate for granted, again.

First, it was Brexit, where Cameron was "certain" of victory and now, we have T.May calling a snap election (despite saying many, many times that she wouldn't) and expecting to rack up a huge majority but, it seems that "we (the voters) are having none of it.
Although I'm not a fan of Corbyn, I'm so disenchanted with politics that I would absolutely love to see Mrs May fall flat on her face over this one.
Under the false pretence of needing a "strong and stable" government to carry out Brexit negotiations and having 3 years left in power (and Brexit apparently needs less than 2 years to conclude), the greedy Troies, tried to make a "land grab" for votes and seats from all the other parties.
Thankfully, it seems that the young and apathetic voters have registered to vote in huge numbers, making a Tory majority far less certain.
It's absolutely hilarious and Mrs May could be finding out what life is like down at the local job centre

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 12:49 pm  

Corbyn to take the stage in the leaders debate now with May opting to keep her distance. I would say it's a big risk from the PM but judging from her dire performances so far under any kind of grilling she has probably made the right call.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 1:19 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Corbyn to take the stage in the leaders debate now with May opting to keep her distance. I would say it's a big risk from the PM but judging from her dire performances so far under any kind of grilling she has probably made the right call.

Indeed
She is excellent at delivering a scripted speech but, very weak under pressure (neither strong nor stable ).
However, with most of the other politicians from the left of the political spectrum, apart from the busted flush that is UKIP, there will be a fair amount of consensus coming from the panel, which makes Labour look like the "best" option.
Unless some of the other parties really rip into Corbyn (which is unlikely as they all have "similar" policies), this will be good for Labour.

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 1:48 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Is that the same force that had to remove David Crompton because he tried to shift the blame away from the police after the inquest verdict?

I think it's important to differentiate between the lessons SYP have obviously learnt from dealing with the incident to the more murky goings on around the cover up and attempts to blame supporters for what happened.

I do know many of the officers to blame for those murky goings on are long gone.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 31, 2017 1:55 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Indeed
She is excellent at delivering a scripted speech but, very weak under pressure (neither strong nor stable ).
However, with most of the other politicians from the left of the political spectrum, apart from the busted flush that is UKIP, there will be a fair amount of consensus coming from the panel, which makes Labour look like the "best" option.
Unless some of the other parties really rip into Corbyn (which is unlikely as they all have "similar" policies), this will be good for Labour.

Ukip left of political spectrum!?

Bit of a calculated risk too by Corbyn because the others could all gang up and put boot into the biggest dog present, however, he's seen off Andrew Neil and Paxman in good order so Nuttall, Farron etc should be a cakewalk.