Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 6:01 am  

wire-quin wrote:

TM went well last night on the May Jezza Sky/4 programme.

Thought Paxman was poor. Audience questions all very predictable

Do you really think so ?

She looked and sounded a long way short of "strong and stable" ?
Labour's spending plans are scary and there isn't a business in the UK that wont change their style to help them avoid some of their new "tax on business".
However, May appeared very unsure and quite nervous and it was easy to see why she wouldn't go head to head in a "proper" leaders debate.

I dont want either of them as our country's leader and we will inevitably end up with May.
However, it's comforting to know that despite her hot air, it wont actually be her doing the Brexit negotiations.

She is full of hot air and appears to lack any conviction whatsoever in her politics, mind you when you are trying to "steal" votes from everyone from the SNP, to UKIP and Labour, it's hardly surprising.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 6:15 am  

wire-quin wrote:

TM went well last night on the May Jezza Sky/4 programme.

Thought Paxman was poor. Audience questions all very predictable

Really? I thought Corbyn came out best out of the 2 of them, May didn't have any decent answers for explaining her countless U-turns and memorably got called a blowhard.

Paxman is done though, he couldn't get much to stick on her even with an open goal.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 6:38 am  

If there can be a winner when they don't actually debate head to head, it was clearly Corbyn; as many commentators noted, he had the audience laughing with him, whilst May had them laughing at her.

I have to agree about Paxman though - his sole focus with Corbyn was things that *weren't* in the manifesto; and his constant interruptions and sneering just came across as boorish.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 6:41 am  

It makes me wonder if Jezza is missing a trick by avoiding the impending Brexit or if he is being cute and not going down the line of a strong economy which failed for the Remainers on Brexit.

The 30% rise (7% real terms) on CT (and removing Zero hours contracts and raising minimum wage) wont help Labour given how many people are employed by SME.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 7:35 am  

wire-quin wrote:

The 30% rise (7% real terms) on CT (and removing Zero hours contracts and raising minimum wage) wont help Labour given how many people are employed by SME.

From the Labour manifesto:

"We will protect small businesses by reintroducing the lower small profits rate of corporation tax. We will also exclude small businesses from costly plans to introduce quarterly reporting."

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 8:25 am  

bren2k wrote:

From the Labour manifesto:

"We will protect small businesses by reintroducing the lower small profits rate of corporation tax. We will also exclude small businesses from costly plans to introduce quarterly reporting."

Corbyn's comments on "access to the free market" post Brexit weren't really picked up on (unless I misheard him.
He certainly passed some comment along those lines.

Having seen how flakey Mrs May was, I'd love to see her in a proper debate with some of the other party leaders, sadly that isn't going to happen.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 8:42 am  

Having seen how flakey Mrs May was, I'd love to see her in a proper debate with some of the other party leaders, sadly that isn't going to happen.

Shes cleverly avoided them. Don't shoot yourself in the foot.

From the Labour manifesto:

"We will protect small businesses by reintroducing the lower small profits rate of corporation tax. We will also exclude small businesses from costly plans to introduce quarterly reporting."

But when pressed last night by the small business owner in the crowd Jezza didn't say that he said do you want to see XYZ and if not we all need to pay more. That business owner was on Sky news this morning reiterating his concerns about CT, abolishing Zero Hours contracts which he uses for Undergraduates and also the £10 min wage. He is voting for TM this time based solely on that.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 8:47 am  

Exiled down south wrote:

Shes cleverly avoided them. Don't shoot yourself in the foot.

But when pressed last night by the small business owner in the crowd Jezza didn't say that he said do you want to see XYZ and if not we all need to pay more. That business owner was on Sky news this morning reiterating his concerns about CT, abolishing Zero Hours contracts which he uses for Undergraduates and also the £10 min wage. He is voting for TM this time based solely on that.

Well boohoo for him, under labour plans, he'd still be paying less than 7 years ago. He'd also be paying less than vast majority of Europe or any other advanced economy.

The 0hrs thing is easily avoided by awarding a contract guaranteeing minimum amounts of work and overtime available.

As for the £10 minimum wage, it's only £1 an hour more than what the Tories were originally promising (yet another U-Turn) We need to move away from this economy that is propped up by private debt. That's the reason interest rates are so low and have been for so long, because any increase would push many, many people over the edge. Higher wages protects us from that and stimulates economy.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 9:05 am  

Exiled down south wrote:

That business owner was on Sky news this morning reiterating his concerns about CT, abolishing Zero Hours contracts which he uses for Undergraduates and also the £10 min wage.

Yes, of course he was on Sky news...

Did they also feature the midwife who trashed Mrs May's stuff and nonsense about the NHS, or the man who turned to his friend on camera during one of her droning non-answers and said, "that's bollox?"

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 30, 2017 9:27 am  

Exiled down south wrote:

Shes cleverly avoided them. Don't shoot yourself in the foot.

But when pressed last night by the small business owner in the crowd Jezza didn't say that he said do you want to see XYZ and if not we all need to pay more. That business owner was on Sky news this morning reiterating his concerns about CT, abolishing Zero Hours contracts which he uses for Undergraduates and also the £10 min wage. He is voting for TM this time based solely on that.

Do you think that she looked "strong and stable". really ?

As I've said before, I'm no fan of Corbyn but, of the two of them, he looked far more assured than Mrs May, who was flapping like a fish out of water when pressed on the social care "cap".

She has made more U turns in her short time in power than any leader in the last 40 years and has no political beliefs.

She called an election at short notice, despite saying several times that there would be no snap election on the basis for needing a "strong and stable" government to aid the Brexit negotiations, which will be done and dusted well before the next election was due.

Devoid of morals and with zero political conviction, Mrs May is not fit to lead her own party, never mind the country and she says that Labour and the SNP would be the coalition of chaos.


Btw, please explain where I shot myself in the foot