Re: More Tory Lies : Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:26 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Brexit is a Tory project. How about your party takes some responsibility for the chaos it has caused rather than blaming everyone else all the time.

Brexit only happened because a majority of those who voted in the referendum voted to leave. If the vote had been the other way round we would not be having all this.

The UK should have had a vote when the Maastricht treaty was first proposed - this was a watershed where the EU moved from a trading to a controlling organisation. Major couldn't because he knew he couldn't get it through - same goes for Blair when he wanted to get closer - polls showed a 27-28% in favour so Blair bottled it too.

Re: More Tory Lies : Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:45 pm  

So, somebody please remind me once again, the advantages of brexit are:

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:03 am  

silver2 wrote:

So, somebody please remind me once again, the advantages of brexit are:

TAKE BACK CONTROL!*



*whatever the love that means

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:21 am  

silver2 wrote:

So, somebody please remind me once again, the advantages of brexit are:

PARANOIA RELIEVER!

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:34 am  

silver2 wrote:

So, somebody please remind me once again, the advantages of brexit are:

You need to take a long term view - what will the EU be in 10 years time - how has it evolved in the last 10 years? Is you view of what the future holds where you want to be - if it is great, if it isn't what do you do?

Decisions of this magnitude need to made for the long-term.

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:34 pm  

silver2 wrote:

So, somebody please remind me once again, the advantages of brexit are:

It's given us so many great names for future generations of art school bands:

Arlene Phillips and the DUP
The European Research Group
The Letwin Amendment
The Cooper-Letwin Motion
The Benn Act
Article 50
The Withdrawal Agreement
Meaningful Vote
Consent Mechanism
No Deal
Operation Yellowhammer
Transition Period
Five Tests
Common Travel Area
Great Repeal Bill
Hard Border
Canada Model
Norway-style Compromise
Single Market

Expect floppy haircuts, vintage sportswear, and a whole load of synthesisers.

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:40 pm  

Another day, another Tory lie
Despite being in office for the last 10 years, apparently ist's Labours fault that the "targets" (something officially scrapped by the Tories) for NHS waiting times are at their worst level since they took office, despite generally getting worse year on year since they were elected in 2010.

Too busy concentration on what Labour "is going to spend" and now, their representative has "done a Javid" and failed to show for another political TV debate.

They were a disgrace under May but, have actually gone backwards under their blue eyed "saviour" Joke leader and becoming a joke party.
Seems like Boris is joining the Tory "no show" brigade after bottling his Bakery visit as well.

Just as politics gets interesting the Tories seem to have developed a soft yellow underbelly.

The first sign of anything not resembling a cushy camera opportunity and they're gone, all of them.
I thought they were supposed to have some steel and backbone

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:00 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Another day, another Tory lie
Despite being in office for the last 10 years, apparently ist's Labours fault that the "targets" (something officially scrapped by the Tories) for NHS waiting times are at their worst level since they took office, despite generally getting worse year on year since they were elected in 201ng to spend" and now, their representative has "done a Javid" and failed to show for another political TV debate.

They were a disgrace under May but, have actually gone backwards under their blue eyed "saviour" Joke leader and becoming a joke party.
Seems like Boris is joining the Tory "no show" brigade after bottling his Bakery visit as well.

And the scary thing is they are still going to win. At the same time as we laugh at the Americans for electing TRump we go and elect BoJo.

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:21 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Another day, another Tory lie
Despite being in office for the last 10 years, apparently ist's Labours fault that the "targets" (something officially scrapped by the Tories) for NHS waiting times are at their worst level since they took office, despite generally getting worse year on year since they were elected in 2010.

Too busy concentration on what Labour "is going to spend" and now, their representative has "done a Javid" and failed to show for another political TV debate.

They were a disgrace under May but, have actually gone backwards under their blue eyed "saviour" Joke leader and becoming a joke party.
Seems like Boris is joining the Tory "no show" brigade after bottling his Bakery visit as well.

Just as politics gets interesting the Tories seem to have developed a soft yellow underbelly.

The first sign of anything not resembling a cushy camera opportunity and they're gone, all of them.
I thought they were supposed to have some steel and backbone

This doesn't look great but you can hardly blame Boris - he has had three months.

This will take years to come right and probably needs a complete rethink of what we want the NHS to provide and how much money are you prepared to spend to deliver it. You could dump the whole GDP of the UK into the NHS and it still wouldn't be enough.

The key to the impact of this will be individuals experience of dealing with the NHS - if you have never visited A&E then a 6 hour wait will not have the same conceptual impact as if you have been there recently. If you are not waiting for an operation then it will not resonate in the same way as if you are.

Big issue - will hurt the Tories no doubt

Re: More Tory Lies : Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:30 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

This doesn't look great but you can hardly blame Boris - he has had three months.

This will take years to come right and probably needs a complete rethink of what we want the NHS to provide and how much money are you prepared to spend to deliver it. You could dump the whole GDP of the UK into the NHS and it still wouldn't be enough.

The key to the impact of this will be individuals experience of dealing with the NHS - if you have never visited A&E then a 6 hour wait will not have the same conceptual impact as if you have been there recently. If you are not waiting for an operation then it will not resonate in the same way as if you are.

Big issue - will hurt the Tories no doubt

Of course you cant expect anything of Boris, especially in 3 months but, even you must see the pattern that is forming.
Anything that is difficult or, looks like it could be awkward, they are literally running and hiding - can you possibly imagine Thatcher doing that ?

They are so full of poo that their "principles" unravel in seconds. So fearful of confrontation, they now appear to be running scared.

The is still plenty to happen with the Brexit-Con alliance too.

Again, despite all of the denials, it's absolutely clear that their is some serious bargaining going on behind the scenes between the 2? parties and Farage is likely to get the hump.
" weeks ago, he was fielding 600+ candidates, within a fortnight that has halves and the Tories only want him to target 40/50 seats, to give them a "free run" at the rest. Mind you, post election, he could still hold the balance of power and that wont be too pleasant for anyone other than hard line right wing Brexiteers.