[DaveO]

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:50 pm  

EHW wrote:

not to mention the Labour Energy Price "freeze" that would have the effect of keeping household prices high whilst the wholesale price falls.

What a stupid comment.

You would have to be a bit thick to assume as you seemingly do that they would legislate to ensure wholesale price falls were not passed on especially since they have called for the companies to do just that given the large drop in wholesale prices is NOT being passed on anything like in full.

Indeed given wholesale prices have fallen by 20% since November and we are seeing cuts in domestic bills of around the 3.5 and 5 percent mark there is still plenty of opportunity for pricing reform here. Scottish power's 4.8% cut announced today (due in Feb by the way) amounts to a grand saving of 63p a week on the average bill. The price of a cabbage in Tesco.

The high cost of energy has not gone away especially as electricity which is not seeing a decrease in price is in often the much larger bill anyway.

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:04 pm  

I don't like Cameron one little bit, but why the hell should he have UKIP yapping in his ear while that brother back stabbing blatherskite gets away with not having the Greens doing the same to him. Anyway the whole TV debate thing is joke, but it gives people the idea they are making an informed choice so......

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:54 pm  

DaveO wrote:

What a stupid comment.

You would have to be a bit thick to assume as you seemingly do that they would legislate to ensure wholesale price falls were not passed on especially since they have called for the companies to do just that given the large drop in wholesale prices is NOT being passed on anything like in full.

Indeed given wholesale prices have fallen by 20% since November and we are seeing cuts in domestic bills of around the 3.5 and 5 percent mark there is still plenty of opportunity for pricing reform here. Scottish power's 4.8% cut announced today (due in Feb by the way) amounts to a grand saving of 63p a week on the average bill. The price of a cabbage in Tesco.

The high cost of energy has not gone away especially as electricity which is not seeing a decrease in price is in often the much larger bill anyway.

Just be glad you have electric....we frequently do not, here

If 4.8% equates to 63p, the weekly bill is 13 pounds. That doesn't seem especially high for an average bill.

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:49 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Aye, but it was a long way from Morayshire to Primrose Hill in the 19th Century.

It's a long way from Moray to anywhere

[DaveO]

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:21 am  

Richie wrote:

Just be glad you have electric....we frequently do not, here

If 4.8% equates to 63p, the weekly bill is 13 pounds. That doesn't seem especially high for an average bill.

£33 a year is what it amounts to. The saving that is. Gas is quite a lot cheaper than electricity which is why for most people ground or air sourced heat pumps are uneconomical as the electricity you have to buy to run the pump is more expensive than just paying for the gas.

I don't know about you but my gas bill is much smaller than the electricity bill.

However from a national point of view given we have a number of gas fired power stations you have to wonder why electricity prices have also not fallen.

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:46 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Soundbites are all that is required to win votes and elections - if you can convince enough people that they are not feeling particularly wealthy despite the opposition crowing on all the time about a booming economy then you will take seats, statistics will prove anything and the truth comes no-where near a politicians lips at election time.

I work 37 hours a week in one job and another 15 in a second, I have zero debts to pay, no credit cards or overdraft, I don't drink, do drugs, smoke or gamble yet I am counting the pennies in and looking at the calendar waiting for my next wage. I am existing at the moment, working just and I mean just covering my bills. Regularly there are weeks when I do no shopping because I'm worried about bills being due and not having the money to pay them.

I'm in my late 40s and have worked all my life and have never been so hard up not even in the last recession when I was a much younger man on a lower salary.

Please don't try telling me that Labours insistence on people not feeling the economic upturn is just a sound bite because I and I'm sure many others find it grossly insulting!

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:31 am  

The Avenger wrote:

I work 37 hours a week in one job and another 15 in a second, I have zero debts to pay, no credit cards or overdraft, I don't drink, do drugs, smoke or gamble yet I am counting the pennies in and looking at the calendar waiting for my next wage. I am existing at the moment, working just and I mean just covering my bills. Regularly there are weeks when I do no shopping because I'm worried about bills being due and not having the money to pay them.

I'm in my late 40s and have worked all my life and have never been so hard up not even in the last recession when I was a much younger man on a lower salary.

Please don't try telling me that Labours insistence on people not feeling the economic upturn is just a sound bite because I and I'm sure many others find it grossly insulting!

It is just a soundbite if they have no solution to offer and until they are forced to issue their manifesto its difficult to see what on earth makes them any different to their main rivals.

Its their selling mantra to you, it grabs your attention and makes you feel that they also feel your pain whereas in fact they haven't yet come up with one solution or plan to give you more money in your pocket every payday, and nor will they other than tout some woolly plan that will never see the light of day - they can't force down prices anymore than they can fly a balloon to the moon.

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:08 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

It is just a soundbite if they have no solution to offer and until they are forced to issue their manifesto its difficult to see what on earth makes them any different to their main rivals.

Its their selling mantra to you, it grabs your attention and makes you feel that they also feel your pain whereas in fact they haven't yet come up with one solution or plan to give you more money in your pocket every payday, and nor will they other than tout some woolly plan that will never see the light of day - they can't force down prices anymore than they can fly a balloon to the moon.

At least they acknowledge there's a problem whereas Cameron, Osborne and Duncan-Smith are totally out of touch, in deep denial or just plain covering their arses while practicing extreme ideology because it suits them.

Another term in office for the Conservatives will take us back a century

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:17 am  

The Avenger wrote:

Another term in office for the Conservatives will take us back a century

Not for the rich it won't. They'll continue to do just fine while the state helps them out every chance it gets.

Re: Cameron refusing to debate : Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:27 am  

Him wrote:

Not for the rich it won't. They'll continue to do just fine while the state helps them out every chance it gets.

The Stately Homes of England,
How beautiful they stand,
To prove the upper classes
Have still the upper hand;

The gap between the haves and have nots will be grow even wider, we aren't that far away from workhouses again.