Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:44 am  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

Yes, utter garbage, like everything you post, people have voted, its done, get grumpy in your jumper and chair and tutt at intelligent people. Thats all you have left.

Perhaps you should put forward your view of life after Brexit.
You may even convince myself and others that life will indeed be better but, in all your non "contributory" posts so far, you havent managed to give anything.
Maybe, like some of our esteemed politicians, you are keeping your powder dry but, I suspect not.
Crossing fingers doesnt often make things better.

Perhaps you should have a look at how the main EU leaders view Brexit and if you read what they are all saying you will have a better insight into what may happen in the short-medium term.
It is nowhere near what was promised by "leave"in the referendum campaign and then take a look at our "strong and stable" economy and decide if we are on the way up or, on the way down and then make another judgement on where our country is headed and we havent left (the EU) yet.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:52 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The UK has always been a trading nation but, we have never been anywhere near self sufficient.
Therefore even IF we could miraculously compete with the cheap labour nations such as China, Indonesia, Pakistan, India and the emerging African nations, where are the raw materials going to come from.
The days are long gone where Britain produced more than half of the worlds coal etc and we simply can not compete with producing other items.
We are strong in finance, innovative in engineering (but, no longer lead the rest of the world) and we have been excellent in the sciences, in research and development but, we have a balance of trade deficit, especially in visible trade, that is huge.

We will have because that is the way the economy have been developed - it doesn't mean that is how it has always to be. We have shown that when we put our mind to it we can be really good at manufacturing - the car factories in the NE and Derby, JCB etc

If these tariffs get so prohibitive it may well force a change to the dynamics of our economy and how it functions?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:35 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Perhaps you should put forward your view of life after Brexit.
You may even convince myself and others that life will indeed be better but, in all your non "contributory" posts so far, you havent managed to give anything.
Maybe, like some of our esteemed politicians, you are keeping your powder dry but, I suspect not.
Crossing fingers doesnt often make things better.

Perhaps you should have a look at how the main EU leaders view Brexit and if you read what they are all saying you will have a better insight into what may happen in the short-medium term.
It is nowhere near what was promised by "leave"in the referendum campaign and then take a look at our "strong and stable" economy and decide if we are on the way up or, on the way down and then make another judgement on where our country is headed and we havent left (the EU) yet.

Old people bore me, a decision has been made, its called democracy, Id have preferred to remain, but we play the hand we're dealt. A country under Corbyn would be the wosrt outcome ever.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:47 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Why can't we become more self-sufficient so we make product that we sell internally?

The question I ask myself every time I open a product bought from a British company only to find a small sticker somewhere saying Made in China/Vietnam/Bangladesh/India is 'how could this not have been made here?' Only the other week I found a Made in Vietnam sticker while assembling a cot from a British company. It's just wood, white paint and a handful of screws for Christ's sake!

In today's race to the bottom I suppose we've just become accustomed to mass manufactured crap being made by 12 year olds and shipped half way round the world. And the carefree attitude of consumerism is to just buy a cheap one and replace it with another cheap one when it inevitably breaks and repeat ad infinitum. Incessant and invasive marketing techniques just pile on the pressure for some consumers. Visit a companies website now and their ads have the power of following you around the internet for months if you don't block them.

I had the 'buy well, buy once' mantra drilled into me from an early age and it's shocking to see the number of once quality manufacturers who have sold their souls to the profit devils.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:18 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

We will have because that is the way the economy have been developed - it doesn't mean that is how it has always to be. We have shown that when we put our mind to it we can be really good at manufacturing - the car factories in the NE and Derby, JCB etc

If these tariffs get so prohibitive it may well force a change to the dynamics of our economy and how it functions?

If we end up worse off due to tariff changes, it will just reduce consumer spending, making us all just a little worse off.
For most this will just mean a bit of belt tightening, just as it may for some of our EU counterparts but, for people at the bottom of the pile in our "equal and fair society" it will push them closer to the edge and in some cases over the edge.
The British workforce are just as good as other places in the world but, our wages are somewhat higher, which means that for many products, we just cannot manufacture them competitively.

I dont see any major shift in the dynamics of our economy but losing significant chunks of the financial services sector may leave the exchequer looking for other ways to boost his coffers.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon May 01, 2017 7:34 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

If we end up worse off due to tariff changes, it will just reduce consumer spending, making us all just a little worse off.
For most this will just mean a bit of belt tightening, just as it may for some of our EU counterparts but, for people at the bottom of the pile in our "equal and fair society" it will push them closer to the edge and in some cases over the edge.
The British workforce are just as good as other places in the world but, our wages are somewhat higher, which means that for many products, we just cannot manufacture them competitively.

I dont see any major shift in the dynamics of our economy but losing significant chunks of the financial services sector may leave the exchequer looking for other ways to boost his coffers.

Manufacturing lends itself to automation. To be competitive requires capital investment. Labour costs in that event are not the big element they used to be.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon May 01, 2017 9:02 am  

The eu is in the process of submitting various large costs to us for our exit. This in addition to the original claim of 60 billion.
We have the best intelligence services in the world along with the Americans. Thus information is shared with the eu. Perhaps we should be charging the eu for this facility.
I also note we have been asked to supply more troops to Afghanistan. Meanwhile Germany still sits on a mountain of cash whilst we as usual take up the heavy lifting.
Poland is being criticized by the French poodle for not taking in refugees, good on them because they are not refugees, they are economic migrants.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon May 01, 2017 9:04 am  

The eu is in the process of submitting various large costs to us for our exit. This in addition to the original claim of 60 billion.
We have the best intelligence services in the world along with the Americans. Thus information is shared with the eu. Perhaps we should be charging the eu for this facility.
I also note we have been asked to supply more troops to Afghanistan. Meanwhile Germany still sits on a mountain of cash whilst we as usual take up the heavy lifting.
Poland is being criticized by the French poodle for not taking in refugees, good on them because they are not refugees, they are economic migrants.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon May 01, 2017 9:29 am  

If you think the country will just go over the abyss after brexit then I cannot agree I think we will weather the storm and come out of stronger and if we do it will signal the end of the EU

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon May 01, 2017 10:17 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

If you think the country will just go over the abyss after brexit then I cannot agree I think we will weather the storm and come out of stronger and if we do it will signal the end of the EU

For years people have been forecasting the break up of the eu. It will never happen France and Germany would not let that happen. I always find it ironic that several of the countries indulging in the criticism of us ,are countries that don't pay into the eu they receive money from the EU.
Obviously the big eu problem with the eu is the transformation from a trading union to a political union. This with the adoption of the euro was the start of the problems.
Who would have thought years ago that British parliament laws would be overridden by a Brussels court.