Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:26 pm  

Maybe Marine will save us! Did you ask the Frogs about their Nigel?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:10 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

IF we end up with no deal and WTO terms, it will effectively increase the cost of all of the UK's imports by 10%, so in that sense everyone in the UK would be worse off.
Also, it will increase the cost of our products going overseas so, you could say that people in the EU will also be worse off.
However, will they still buy the goods from the UK that are produced here or, will they look elsewhere for some of these goods and services.
Of course, we may be able to source some of the more expensive goods elsewhere. However, as the EU is our closest trading block, which means that we can obtain goods, especially food, quickly, we dont have the same number of options (and we have to secure trade deals with other nations before we can buy from them).
As for goods coming into Rotterdam, prior to coming to the UK and suggesting that we could use Liverpool or Bristol, this is just bizarre.
Rotterdam is used as a drop off point as vessels are en route to other destinations, Liverpool or Bristol are not.
We could use different UK sea ports but, again, this will add cost to the products that we are seeking to import.

Felixstow is probably the largest port for goods coming from the East (China, India etc), purely because it is the cheapest place to have goods delivered to but, if you want to pay, you can have goods delivered to any port with facilities for stripping containers.

Places like Liverpool gained prominence in the 19th century, primarily due to the substantial northern manufacturing base for cotton, which was converted in mills in the North of England.
Sadly that trade is dead in the UK and unless we want to pay our workers $70/80 per MONTH, this industry wont be returning to the UK for the foreseeable future.
This isn't due to the EU, it's down to the very cheap manufacturing centres of China, India and Bangladesh etc.

Again, please point out the "up side" but, you will have to do a whole lot better than your last post.

All our imports will not cost 10% more, only those from the EU. Indeed, food in particular may reduce in cost as we will have access to other country's produce which in some cases the EU add tariffs to. When we entered the EU people were worried about food prices increasing massively. Our politicians assured us not - but guess what, they did.

If luxury goods (eg German cars and European wine) costs 10% more that will be a good thing IF people stop buying them - it will help our trade deficit and balance of payments.

If we trade more with the rest of the world and do not have single market access then rationally goods will come directly in / go directly from UK ports. Bristol in particular would be well placed, geographically, for expansion.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:12 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Maybe Marine will save us! Did you ask the Frogs about their Nigel?

Yes, they said she would poll around 35% of the vote in the first round, which will put her in the lead but this vote would remain at that level in the second round so, their thoughts were that, thankfully, she wont become their leader.
Farage is staunch right wing but, not ar far right as Le Pen or her Father.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:03 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

No beers, just chance to read and listen to the "story" from the other side.
You know, listen to a different perspective, rather than the tunnel vision leading to Utopia that Farage and his ilk were selling.
There is a fair amount of anger at Britain's exit, which is not conducive to "us" getting a good deal.

Remember, the clock is ticking a lot louder for us that it is for the rest of Europe but, hey, you keep your fingers crossed and cover your ears.
Everything will be fine.

Christ, you sound like that whining muppet Clegg, who's been doing the BBC News circuit again recently.

So, you spoke to a few people in France. Were they heads of business? Politicians? Movers & shakers? No? Blokes holding or serving beer? Probably.

Well, from someone who deals with many companies across the UK, Europe and globally, I can tell you there isn't much concern out there. I talk directly to one of the biggest German car manufacturers on an almost daily basis as well as one of their luxury subsidiaries in the UK (the factory tour is astounding). The impact of Brexit is only ever raised only from my side. They're not concerned. As one contact said, if WTO tariffs come in they benefit from having facilities in the UK as long as the supply chain isn't hugely affected or can be restructured. If there are low or zero tariffs it's pretty much business as usual.

I also work with a large number of Europeans who are largely astounded we voted to leave, although most of them have told me they would have voted Out if given the chance in their home nation. Especially the Germans and Italians.

A deal will be reached. It may not be perfect and it will require concessions on both sides, though I doubt May will budge on the shambolic pillar of Freedom of Movement. That's why we won't be in the single market but we'll reach an agreement beneficial to both sides. You know why? Because once all the hyperbole is over and the people who matter sit down to talk, neither side wants a poor outcome. Seeking to hurt the UK would also hurt almost every member of the EU. Yes, our economy will dip for a short time but then recover, and eventually grow (as I said many pages ago). Some firms might opt to move to the EU, others will seize the opportunity to reach out to the world without the shackles of the EU holding them back.

We should listen less to our idiotic sensationalist media and politicians (and RLFannies) and more to business leaders, many of whom are not unduly concerned (of course, there are exceptions such as that other muppet Michael O'Leary). Oh, and Farage should be muffled.

And we should bomb Madrid.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:15 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Christ, you sound like that whining muppet Clegg, who's been doing the BBC News circuit again recently.

So, you spoke to a few people in France. Were they heads of business? Politicians? Movers & shakers? No? Blokes holding or serving beer? Probably.

Well, from someone who deals with many companies across the UK, Europe and globally, I can tell you there isn't much concern out there. I talk directly to one of the biggest German car manufacturers on an almost daily basis as well as one of their luxury subsidiaries in the UK (the factory tour is astounding). The impact of Brexit is only ever raised only from my side. They're not concerned. As one contact said, if WTO tariffs come in they benefit from having facilities in the UK as long as the supply chain isn't hugely affected or can be restructured. If there are low or zero tariffs it's pretty much business as usual.

I also work with a large number of Europeans who are largely astounded we voted to leave, although most of them have told me they would have voted Out if given the chance in their home nation. Especially the Germans and Italians.

A deal will be reached. It may not be perfect and it will require concessions on both sides, though I doubt May will budge on the shambolic pillar of Freedom of Movement. That's why we won't be in the single market but we'll reach an agreement beneficial to both sides. You know why? Because once all the hyperbole is over and the people who matter sit down to talk, neither side wants a poor outcome. Seeking to hurt the UK would also hurt almost every member of the EU. Yes, our economy will dip for a short time but then recover, and eventually grow (as I said many pages ago). Some firms might opt to move to the EU, others will seize the opportunity to reach out to the world without the shackles of the EU holding them back.

We should listen less to our idiotic sensationalist media and politicians (and RLFannies) and more to business leaders, many of whom are not unduly concerned (of course, there are exceptions such as that other muppet Michael O'Leary). Oh, and Farage should be muffled.

And we should bomb Madrid.

But but wrencat (with a clear agenda) spoke to a bus driver and a bloke in Castillo Bar, surely he he knows much more than anyone?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:20 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

wont become their leader.

Where have we heard that before?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:24 am  

And referring to the French as "frogs" is racist, anyone using that term is demonstrating their limited intelligence.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:33 am  

Cronus wrote:

Christ, you sound like that whining muppet Clegg, who's been doing the BBC News circuit again recently.

So, you spoke to a few people in France. Were they heads of business? Politicians? Movers & shakers? No? Blokes holding or serving beer? Probably.

Well, from someone who deals with many companies across the UK, Europe and globally, I can tell you there isn't much concern out there. I talk directly to one of the biggest German car manufacturers on an almost daily basis as well as one of their luxury subsidiaries in the UK (the factory tour is astounding). The impact of Brexit is only ever raised only from my side. They're not concerned. As one contact said, if WTO tariffs come in they benefit from having facilities in the UK as long as the supply chain isn't hugely affected or can be restructured. If there are low or zero tariffs it's pretty much business as usual.

I also work with a large number of Europeans who are largely astounded we voted to leave, although most of them have told me they would have voted Out if given the chance in their home nation. Especially the Germans and Italians.

A deal will be reached. It may not be perfect and it will require concessions on both sides, though I doubt May will budge on the shambolic pillar of Freedom of Movement. That's why we won't be in the single market but we'll reach an agreement beneficial to both sides. You know why? Because once all the hyperbole is over and the people who matter sit down to talk, neither side wants a poor outcome. Seeking to hurt the UK would also hurt almost every member of the EU. Yes, our economy will dip for a short time but then recover, and eventually grow (as I said many pages ago). Some firms might opt to move to the EU, others will seize the opportunity to reach out to the world without the shackles of the EU holding them back.

We should listen less to our idiotic sensationalist media and politicians (and RLFannies) and more to business leaders, many of whom are not unduly concerned (of course, there are exceptions such as that other muppet Michael O'Leary). Oh, and Farage should be muffled.

And we should bomb Madrid.

Thanks for that and the veiled insults, always appreciated.

My opinion is just that, usually allowed on an open forum ??

However, my personal experience has, for over 25 years, involved importing goods from the EU and the far East.
Indeed, the company that I worked for, employed over 250 people and was part of a larger group, employing around 1500.
So, perhaps, I have more knowledge than some other posters on tisi forum with regards to importing and exporting to and from the UK.

The sensationalist media as you call them, that we should no longer listen to, are the very same media who supported the leave campaign but,
we'll ignore your double standards, shall we ?

There are many businesses that are concerned about the effects of Brexit but, of course, life has to go on and they, primarily for the benefit of their shareholders, have to talk the situation up, so as not to damage their perceived position.

Nobody, in the outside world is going to publically say that "we're screwed" but, some businesses certainly will be and the effects of the approx 15% currency deflation are still working their way through the system, which hurts everyone in the country and the prospect of additional tariffs with hurt even more. However, the sun will still rise in the morning and the world will continue to turn.

However, next time you are with the high rollers and mover-shakers of the UK, perhaps you should ask them just how much better off their employees will be, once we have secured our "deal" with the EU.

PS, sorry that my opinion differs from yours but, I'm chuffed that we dont all share the same ideology as Farage and Le Penn

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:01 pm  

And referring to the French as "frogs" is racist, anyone using that term is demonstrating their limited intelligence.

Is it racist or is just another Brexit straw you remainers are clutching to?

I'm assuming Yank, Aussie, Pom........ etc are now all of limits

Keep importing in your family cottage industry (and believing the nonsense in your lefty publications) and leave the thickets to sit in high level Mgt positions in global tech companies.(reading the mail). But thanks for the endorsement.

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:28 pm