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Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:56 pm  
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where have I said I want Harris dead? I want him to suffer the same as his victims, if you don't believe the evidence, statements and verdict then fine, that is your decision, my view is he IS a predatory paedophile, and, fortunately, 12 of my peers agreed.


The evidence doesn't support the verdict of him being a predatory paedophile. The charges doesn't support the view that he's a predatory paedophile. It's just that the tag of paedo is thrown around so freely and stupidly.

As I say, maybe he just raped someone "a little bit", lets let him off,


So that's the stupid point you were stupidly trying to make.

you haven't argued your point at any length, you have attempted to justify your opinion, they are not the same thing.


If you say so. I'll just leave it for others to judge.
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Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:03 pm  
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maybe the Lord God arrogant Portuguese t/pot will read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28174592


I've read it.

The Association of Child Abuse lawyers wants an alleged crime that was committed in 1978 to be judged as the law stands now.

The Police Commissioner rolls her eyes and says you can't just pull this 5hit just because you want to.

No doubt you agree with the Association of Child Abuse Lawyers because, after all, who's there to think of the children?
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maybe the Lord God arrogant Portuguese t/pot will read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28174592


I've read it.

The Association of Child Abuse lawyers wants an alleged crime that was committed in 1978 to be judged as the law stands now.

The Police Commissioner rolls her eyes and says you can't just pull this 5hit just because you want to.

No doubt you agree with the Association of Child Abuse Lawyers because, after all, who's there to think of the children?
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Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:15 pm  
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28173294 and this one, maybe?


People distance themselves from man labelled as vile paedo?

Who'd have thought that would happen?

I'd have thought companies would have been rushing in to sign endorsement deals. :roll:
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Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:44 pm  
twitter/"I don't give a flying one about your injunction" blog rumours gaining momentum about a certain celeb.

Just search "elm guest house kitty" on twitter.
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Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:38 pm  
Had a search about the Elm Guest House. Found a website that had a list of names that the BBC supposedly "shouldn't be ignoring."

On the website they had the name of Harvey Proctor and said he was a "well known convicted paedo".

Harvey Proctor was convicted of having sex with male prostitutes between the ages of 17 and 21. At that time the gay AOC was 21. That doesn't make him a paedo.

Do people even know what a paedophile is?
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Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:51 am  
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Had a search about the Elm Guest House. Found a website that had a list of names that the BBC supposedly "shouldn't be ignoring."

On the website they had the name of Harvey Proctor and said he was a "well known convicted paedo".

Harvey Proctor was convicted of having sex with male prostitutes between the ages of 17 and 21. At that time the gay AOC was 21. That doesn't make him a paedo.

Do people even know what a paedophile is?


Well, I'm guessing that "schoolboy punishment rituals" where the rent boys were made to dress in shorts and be punished for imaginary classroom offences ticks a number of boxes, though.
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Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:55 am  
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The evidence doesn't support the verdict of him being a predatory paedophile. The charges doesn't support the view that he's a predatory paedophile. It's just that the tag of paedo is thrown around so freely and stupidly.
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It was never argued in court that he was a predatory offender, in fact the judge accepted that his offences were opportunistic rather than predatory.

As for being labelled a paedophile - how would you describe someone who uses indecent images of children for sexual gratification and who had a sexual relationship with an underage girl ?
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Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:18 am  
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As for being labelled a paedophile - how would you describe someone who uses indecent images of children for sexual gratification and who had a sexual relationship with an underage girl ?


Again, lets be correct about this as this is how uneducated mob justice starts - there was no evidence presented in court to suggest that he used indecent images of children for sexual gratification and the evidence that was gathered during investigation was not used simply because it would not have proved such a charge - newspapers have a lot to answer for in their court reporting.
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Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:41 am  
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It was never argued in court that he was a predatory offender, in fact the judge accepted that his offences were opportunistic rather than predatory.


But pretty much every newspaper and TV report paints him as a vile, predatory paedophile.

As for being labelled a paedophile - how would you describe someone who uses indecent images of children for sexual gratification and who had a sexual relationship with an underage girl ?


The police or CPS said that Harris had some "child porn" on his computer which they had seized while doing the Yewtree investigations.

Jerry Chicken has highlighted some of the concerns about that before. I would add that if they were serious images worthy of conviction then they'd have made it into the court and he would have been done for the pictures. I think that the police or CPS knew there was no case for the pictures so that's why it never made it into court. But it's that extra bit of mud that they can smear him with. I know I'm pretty much alone in this in thinking the whole trial was a ridiculous sham, but I do think there must be some other people in Britain who read about the trial and think it doesn't hold water. Making up BS after the trial about pictures of kids on his computer seems to be like an extra layer of mud they can put on his name. They're never going to have back up this claim though. We'll never know if there is any truth to the claim. But it's on public record and will be repeated.

As for what a paeodophile is. I'm not educated in the law (or anything really) and I have a further disavantage that a lot of my life has been spent in the US which is a slightly different culture. There's also medical definition of paedophile and then legal definitions. So there are different ways of defining a paedophile. But the basic term of paedophile is a person who has a sexual attraction to children, especially pre-pubescent children. There are different ages which escalate any offences, I think the ages are 11, then 13, then there's the legal age of consent which is 16.

IMO the public hatred and vilification of paedophiles is at an extreme level and completely at odds with how men (and let's not ignore we're mainly discussing men here) actually are. There is an almost violent level of hatred to anyone who can even be slightly linked with any offences even at the borders of legality (which is where I think Harris is). If somebody can be successfully labelled as a paedo then it's throw away the key time, castrate them, hope they suffer in jail before they're killed type of mentality.

As to whether Harris had a sexual relationship with his daughters friend when she was under age. He says the sexual relationship started when she was 18 and carried on for a decade after. She alleges he abused her on holiday when she was 13, continued to abuse her on several occasions until she was 19. There doesn't seem to have been either an acknowledgement or denial of the consensual adult relationship. I've said before that I think Harris is wrong, wrong, wrong for having any type of relationship with his daughters friend, but this aspect of the case is highly troubling. Her version of events doesn't ring true to me but I guess there will be psychologists who say that an abused person could continue into adulthood with the situation between them as she claims. It just seems really unlikely to me.
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Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:00 am  
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:
disavantage that a lot of my life has been spent in the US

explains a lot of your opinions on various subjects
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