Re: Today in history : Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:54 pm  

McClennan wrote:

How are those bomb pilots more innocent than Saddam's men? I'm not sure what the repercussions would be for men not following Saddam's instructions but I bet it was far worse than what US/UK soldiers would face if they refused orders. Given Iraq's consistent human rights violations over the decades I'm probably even underestimating that. I doubt US/UK bomber pilots operated under the same amount of fear and stress yet they are able to still justify this? Isn't that just as cold-blooded a killing?

Don't take the righteous justification away from them otherwise their totally fooked.

They'll have nothing else to cling too.

Re: Today in history : Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:57 pm  

Today in history - 31st December 1984 Rick Allens car accident http://ultimateclassicrock.com/def-lepp ... rash-1984/

Today in history - 31st December 1984 Rick Allens car accident http://ultimateclassicrock.com/def-lepp ... rash-1984/

Re: Today in history : Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:27 pm  

20 years ago tonight the ORACLE teletext service disappeared from our TV screens

20 years ago tonight the ORACLE teletext service disappeared from our TV screens

Re: Today in history : Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:37 pm  

150 years ago today - The Emancipation Proclamation

150 years ago today - The Emancipation Proclamation

Re: Today in history : Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:59 pm  

McClennan wrote: 150 years ago today - The Emancipation Proclamation Not quite as altruistic as it first appears "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not to either to save or to destroy slavery, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it" - Abraham Lincoln

McClennan wrote: 150 years ago today - The Emancipation Proclamation Not quite as altruistic as it first appears "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not to either to save or to destroy slavery, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it" - Abraham Lincoln

Re: Today in history : Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:32 pm  

Aye. He was a bit of a racist but I don't think that's mentioned in Spielberg's film.

Re: Today in history : Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:39 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Aye. He was a bit of a racist but I don't think that's mentioned in Spielberg's film.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a shrewd political move which ensured no European powers were going to enter the war on the side of the Confederacy.

Re: Today in history : Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:00 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

The Emancipation Proclamation was a shrewd political move which ensured no European powers were going to enter the war on the side of the Confederacy.

Typical right-wing opportunism then? Nowt much changed since then, just tell everyone what they think they want to hear. Then when it comes to the end-game, hopefully it'll be someone else's problem. Lincoln left the whole sorry mess to Democrat Andrew Johnson to sort all the crap out.

Nowt much has changed really

Re: Today in history : Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:35 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Typical right-wing opportunism then? Nowt much changed since then, just tell everyone what they think they want to hear. Then when it comes to the end-game, hopefully it'll be someone else's problem. Lincoln left the whole sorry mess to Democrat Andrew Johnson to sort all the crap out.

Nowt much has changed really

Change right wing to left wing and you can describe the last 2 labour governments I've had the misfortune to live under in this country.

Re: Today in history : Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:38 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Typical right-wing opportunism then? Nowt much changed since then, just tell everyone what they think they want to hear. Then when it comes to the end-game, hopefully it'll be someone else's problem. Lincoln left the whole sorry mess to Democrat Andrew Johnson to sort all the crap out.

Nowt much has changed really

I wouldn't call it opportunism really. It was a calculated move after Antietam. Lincoln had always planned to issue the proclamation after a Union victory.

As for seeing it through, well he was assassinated with 3 years left of his term, as I am sure you know.