[Mild Rover]

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:39 am  

Aye and it creates an equal and opposite dilemma on the other side. We might just have to get used to agreeing for a bit!

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:59 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

:D Government playing a blinder not according to this doctor and many others.

Lisa Anderson, a consultant cardiologist at St George’s Hospital in London, echoed Hunt’s concerns. She said the Government had changed the rules so they where no longer compliant with World Health Organisation recommendations, which required medics to wear a full gown and visor.

She said that since Monday, staff in the NHS only had to wear a simple face mask, short gloves and a pinafore apron. “This is not just about the risk to ourselves and our families. We are travelling home on the Tube, on buses,” she told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

The decimation of the public sector over the last 10 years. The complete cock up at the beginning by the government in not announcing proper measures saying we know better than every country in the world we will slow it to build up herd immunity . A model that was developed initially was based on normal flu not covid and the numbers who need ICU.


Boris cocked it up big time and now Doctors and frontline NHS staff are paying the price.

My ex wife is a doctor working with the elderly they have no Gel left to disinfect their. Hands.

My sister is a practice nurse and they have no masks .

But you keep promoting your Tory poop and blame engine who criticises the government as a fifth columnist.

Nothing I would not expect from you. You won’t be happy until government critics are rounded up and charged with treason.

Surprise surprise, another DG rant.

Almost everything you mention about is to do with either sudden massive demand on disrupted supply chains and/or the great unwashed panic buying. The government won't 'change the rules' at a whim - those decisions will be made based on NHS advice in view of current supply and demand, projected demand, incoming supply timelines and prioritisation of which staff/departments need the best equipment the most.

I'm not pretending everything is perfect - only the perpetually dim of brain would expect that in these circumstances. Yes, of course all of those on the frontline should be fully supplied with the very best kit - but that simply isn't possible, at least not straight away. Just as the stark truth is we have to accept some of us are going to die, the stark truth is not everything will be work as we would like it to.

I saw an interview with a US pandemic advisor the other night. One of his major concerns - despite his protests over years - was the fact that almost 100% of medical-standard (N95/FFB3?) masks in the USA are supplies are sourced from one town in China - which is now in lockdown. I don't know the numbers but the NHS also sources a significant volume of equipment from China. A combination of massive demand and supply chain disruption is always going cause problems. And let's not disregard the many millions of face masks snapped up by the public. Unless you mandate diverse global supply chains and hold stockpiles, in times of escalated demand there will be a period of shortages while things adjust - which is exactly what is happening.

Of course I imagine in your delirious socialist utopia there are millions of Hazmat suits, gowns, gloves, visors, masks and ventilators sitting in storage just waiting for such an event (notwithstanding most of these items degrade over time and are eventually no longer fit for purpose), and every medical facility has the facilities and resources to handle a sudden influx of possible hundreds of thousands of critical patients.

The government has gone well beyond what any of us could have foreseen with their financial support. And yet they could arguably do more - the self-employed, for example - but so far they have stepped up and saved millions of jobs, homes, incomes, businesses, and relieved the massive stress many people are under. More measures are likely. Can you bring yourself to acknowledge that, at least?

BTW, can I make a point you don't seem to understand. The government are being advised by a panel of field-leading experts. Decisions are led by their conclusions, studies and advice, resulting from analysing the experiences of other nations, the very best medical and scientific knowledge, and vast computer modelling. It would most likely be the same experts leading a Labour government reaching the same conclusions. Instead of ranting, take some time to really understand why we've taken the path we have.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:10 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Tbf, in general terms Cronus' post was ok.
However, it's bloody criminal that NHS staff dont have the basics, in terms of masks, gloves etc

I know that we are dealing with a crisis here but, if my business was asbestos removal and I told the workers "it's ok, we've run out of gloves and overalls but, crack on anyway, I would, quite rightly be imprisoned and yet, we are asking NHS workers to do just this - go into work without basic and essential protective equipment.

On this issue, party politics has to go and a collective effort to get the right outcome for as many people as possible should be the only concern for all of us - there are some real selfish b'stards around and things like this certainly expose them.

Most of them are easily identifiable as they carry a copy of the daily mail editorial with them at all times

The equivalent would be "you now have to remove asbestos from ten times the numbers of buildings in half the time, and by the way your gloves/masks/overalls supplier is locked down and can't supply for a few weeks".

Yes, I agree it's terrible some NHS staff are having to work without the correct equipment and as we know they deserve all the support the country can muster. Supplies will come and this work has been in progress for weeks, but catching up in the face of massive demand and disrupted supply chains takes a little time. Not to mention the public has bought millions of masks in the last few weeks.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:10 pm  

And here we go again with the crony capitalism

Profits are capitalism
Losses are socialism.

Yet again we see that capitalism can only operate within a socialist framework.

And here is the Tory government bailing out all their crony CEO and stock market millionaire and billionaire pals with never ending sums of public money, that has been auspicious by its absence for the last ten years.

And paying the wages of its Tory voting base, whilst frontline nhs workers are putting their lives on the line for zip extra is Tory dna all over.

Who asked the public where their money should be directed?

This Tory government Fannied about for a month in protecting its crony pals wealth, at the expense of public health, in my book a crime against humanity.

Any firm that accepts public cash must give the public a stake in the company, and be obliged to buy it back in the future.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:09 pm  

Superblue wrote:

And here we go again with the crony capitalism

Profits are capitalism
Losses are socialism.

Yet again we see that capitalism can only operate within a socialist framework.

And here is the Tory government bailing out all their crony CEO and stock market millionaire and billionaire pals with never ending sums of public money, that has been auspicious by its absence for the last ten years.

And paying the wages of its Tory voting base, whilst frontline nhs workers are putting their lives on the line for zip extra is Tory dna all over.

Who asked the public where their money should be directed?

This Tory government Fannied about for a month in protecting its crony pals wealth, at the expense of public health, in my book a crime against humanity.

Any firm that accepts public cash must give the public a stake in the company, and be obliged to buy it back in the future.

I honestly despair the politicising of this issue, but I am unsurprised.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:41 pm  

DG, Superblue, do you like amonia on your chips?, the PRIVATE SECTOR just urinated on them and the French do the same to the Socialist Remoaners...

DG, Superblue, do you like amonia on your chips?, the PRIVATE SECTOR just urinated on them and the French do the same to the Socialist Remoaners...

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:58 pm  

And where’s all the Tory voting, Nanny State bashers all of a sudden?

They’re all stood in the state handout line with their caps out

Well there are plenty of low paid jobs in the nhs, and plenty of zero hours contract jobs in the supermarkets for you lot, not just the “unemployed benefit scroungers.”

Time for you ten bob Tory voters to practice what you been a preaching.

Principled Hypocrites

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:23 pm  

In the words of Donald J Trump



January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided us."

March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”

March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

March 12: ""I don't take responsibility at all"--- Epitomizing ALL that is Dotard's way of dealing with anything and everything in the US which he can't steal credit.

March 13: National Emergency Declaration


And backside boris fell in synch

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:47 pm  

Jesus wept. And the left get all butthurt when everyone laughs at them.



Not that I disagree with taking the pi5s out of Trump, fwiw.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:29 pm  

^
Laughing with us actually, laughing at you


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