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Re: Charles Kennedy : Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:52 am  
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There! There! Does baby feel better now?

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I do now thanks! :KATA:
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Re: Charles Kennedy : Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:39 pm  
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The mainstream media never missed an opportunity to further the notion that Kennedy was a "heavy drinker". Indeed, the (selectively applied) claim was pushed so aggressively it effectively ruined his career. Even now, before any attempt at post-mortem is carried out, many in the press are tentatively suggesting it was the booze that killed him.

I really don't know enough about Kennedy's private life to support or refute the above. But given the boundless affinity Westminster MPs have for all things alcohol it does make me wonder why they only chose to pick on Kennedy.

To me it has all the makings of a political "narrative" meant to curtail any further investigation. I mean, maybe he was a drunk. But does anyone bother asking WHY was he a drunk? He seemed to function perfectly well for many years and then ... BANG ... he's suddenly bouncing off the walls at the party conference (just in time for an important election in which the Lib-Dems are to play a pivotal role).

On more than one occasion he's seemed on the verge of saying something about "disloyalty" around the time of him standing down and then shut up. Was he done in by his own side? Or were the boys down at GCHQ sniffing into someone else's private correspondence? ;)


Charles Kennedy died of a 'major haemorrhage' that was 'a consequence of his battle with alcoholism', the former Liberal Democrat leader's family said today.
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Re: Charles Kennedy : Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:30 pm  
*crassness warning*


Was there more than 3 shots?
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Re: Charles Kennedy : Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:00 pm  
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Was there more than 3 shots?

Considerably more than three shots!
We're talking gallons.

I've a feeling that's what you meant.
Two birds with one stone.
And if you didn't, you missed a trick. :wink:
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Re: Charles Kennedy : Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:01 pm  
The phrase "a functioning alcoholic" is well known, not all alcoholics look or act drunk, some hold down very responsible jobs indeed can't do the job without alcohol in their blood, not saying it applied to Kennedy but they aren't all laying in the street with a bottle in hand shouting random things at the sky.

I have known two people who have lost their lives to alcoholism, one deliberately, one we weren't so sure but neither did he try and rehabilitate, when you open their fridge to find no food and an admission that they have not eaten anything solid in weeks and are relying on the calories in a bottle of vodka, and yet that person stood in front of you is acting and talking perfectly lucidly then you change your perception of alcoholics.

Its a terrible drug in the mind and it destroys the body organs from within, it should never be underestimated.
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Re: Charles Kennedy : Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:22 pm  
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The phrase "a functioning alcoholic" is well known, not all alcoholics look or act drunk, some hold down very responsible jobs indeed can't do the job without alcohol in their blood, not saying it applied to Kennedy but they aren't all laying in the street with a bottle in hand shouting random things at the sky.

I have known two people who have lost their lives to alcoholism, one deliberately, one we weren't so sure but neither did he try and rehabilitate, when you open their fridge to find no food and an admission that they have not eaten anything solid in weeks and are relying on the calories in a bottle of vodka, and yet that person stood in front of you is acting and talking perfectly lucidly then you change your perception of alcoholics.

Its a terrible drug in the mind and it destroys the body organs from within, it should never be underestimated.

Well said. Without knowing the stats I'd imagine most people will know someone relatively close to them who's been (or is continuing to be) seriously affected by alcoholism in some fashion.

A very close friend of my brother was, in my albeit totally inexpert opinion, very close to becoming an alcoholic (or already had). He would drink to excess virtually every night, often in a group of friends but sometimes you'd find him on his own in the pub. He ended up starting to get that sort of "puffy-eyed" look if you know what I mean. His life consisted of going to work and going to the pub.
Fortunately, God knows how, the best thing that could have ever happened to him, happened. He met a good woman. Suddenly he had a purpose in life. He's now married with 2 kids and drinks "normally". And importantly he looks healthy and has far less anger and aggression in him.

Another family friend but older, in her late fifties/early 60's, became an alcoholic very much like the tragic situations of the people you knew.
She was absolutely fine until her marriage broke up and her children had already moved away so she was living on her own. She was a TA at a local secondary school and it turns out now that she was drunk/had a few drinks on lots of occasions whilst working at school without anyone, including her close friends, noticing.
Friends only started noticing when she would turn up to social nights out etc already drunk and then end up VERY drunk by the end of night.
She's naturally a thin person anyway but it started becoming noticeable she was losing weight and starting to look gaunt but again with that "puffy-eyed" look.
Then she turned up to school one morning obviously drunk which brought it all out in the open. One of her friends took her home and found sod all food in the fridge but a load of vodka and wine.
We thought the warning from school (who were absolutely brilliant with her), serious talks with her children, friends etc and even the death from alcoholism of a close friend of hers would sort her out. But obviously we didn't fully understand alcoholism or its effect on her.
About a week later she was arrested for drink-driving at the supermarket. We'd got rid of all the alcohol she had but she'd obviously got more, got drunk and wanted even more. The staff at the supermarket had called the police.
It's the best thing that could've happened to her. She got a 3 year driving ban and crucially it concentrated her mind and she put herself into a rehab clinic, which transformed her outlook on life. The depression of being alone/her divorce etc was gone and she's a far more positive person. She started going to AA meetings as soon as she got out of rehab and that has helped massively too. She's just bought a car as her 3 years are up and she's been "sober" all that time.

I'm fortunate that the 2 people I know it's affected have come out of the other side of it. But it's only a bit of luck and in the latter case, her being fortunate enough to have enough money to put herself into rehab.

Personally, I think it's a massive problem that goes very much under-reported and goes under the radar for most people. Yet it ruins lives. I also don't think it's helped by the society we live in, it's very, very , very pro-alcohol.
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Re: Charles Kennedy : Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:13 am  
Alcohol doesn't ruin lives, it just sits there in a can or bottle unless you choose to drink it. People don't become alcoholic by accident, there is always a reason why they turn to drinking to excess. Depression, job stress, whatever. That is what is ruining their life, alcohol, or other drugs are a means of escape. If I got to the state where I swallowed a bottle full of sleeping pills, it wuldn't be the pills that ruined my life.
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Re: Charles Kennedy : Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:39 am  
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Considerably more than three shots!
We're talking gallons.

I've a feeling that's what you meant.
Two birds with one stone.
And if you didn't, you missed a trick. :wink:


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*crassness warning*


Was there more than 3 shots?


Help! Help! I'm being nibbled to death by high-fiveing Gummy Bears!

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Re: Charles Kennedy : Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:34 am  
It's interesting and slightly amusing to hear some people's take on p!ssheads.
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Re: Charles Kennedy : Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:22 am  
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:
Alcohol doesn't ruin lives, it just sits there in a can or bottle unless you choose to drink it. People don't become alcoholic by accident, there is always a reason why they turn to drinking to excess. Depression, job stress, whatever. That is what is ruining their life, alcohol, or other drugs are a means of escape. If I got to the state where I swallowed a bottle full of sleeping pills, it wuldn't be the pills that ruined my life.



The one problem with alcohol is that its capable of causing life terminating illness even if you don't intend to take your life - yes we all know that alcoholism is a disease of the mind and its addiction is often caused by other mental problems, but there are probably hundreds of thousands of people living perfectly normal lives who do not suffer from any mental problem other than the fact that they like a drink and although they don't realise it, its probably already damaging their health - this is what makes alcohol different to taking an overdose of pills, you can overdose on alcohol (in a health sense) without even knowing it as each persons body has a different tolerance.

I'm lucky in a way because I have no tolerance to alcohol and it will kick start a migraine (which you really don't want to experience) if I have more than a couple of beers, but most people don't have that intolerance and really don't know what can happen to their bodies over a long period of "normal" drinking - I don;t want to get all envagelist about it because I love a real ale as much as the next man in the pub, but I see so many young people (my own kids included) who complain on Facebook and the like that they are badly hung over or taking a full day to recover from "shots" last night and you know that they aren't just having a few pints in a session but are badly overloading their systems which eventually will not cope as they should - and none of this is done under a clinical depression but in the name of having a good time.
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