Re: Anders Behring Breivik complains of 'inhumane' condition : Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:54 pm  

Sounds more to me like the Norwegians are publicising this to make it sound like they are being hard on him and stop criticism that they should have been tougher.

Re: Anders Behring Breivik complains of 'inhumane' condition : Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:31 pm  

Some really quite repulsive views aired on this thread.

Whilst I agree that Breivik's list is taking the mickey (and rather bizarre), the clamour for his indefinite suffering makes me feel physically sick.

The problem is that the punishment that is imprisonment is misunderstood by many. Imprisonment is the denial of certain liberties, most obviously freedom of movement. Imprisonment is not about torture, harassment, enforced mental breakdowns or anything else the vigilante mob are screaming for.

Breivik's punishment is being served on him. Indefinite detention in a Norwegian jail is, in my view, an adequate and proportionate punishment. Let's not lose the moral high-ground by wishing on him what he inflicted on his victims. To do that makes us just as bad as him.

Re: Anders Behring Breivik complains of 'inhumane' condition : Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:44 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Some really quite repulsive views aired on this thread.

Go on then, highlight us them, or are you just trolling again?

Re: Anders Behring Breivik complains of 'inhumane' condition : Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:54 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Go on then, highlight us them, or are you just trolling again?

Horatio Yed wrote:

But for the real nasty pieces of work............if they go crazy then that's part of the punishment and the reason i'm against the death penalty, i want them to suffer, i want them to get bored of the food and their life until they crack.

Re: Anders Behring Breivik complains of 'inhumane' condition : Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:05 pm  

So the repulsive view(s) you speak of are one single poster saying that he wants the convicted murderer to 'suffer' for the massacring of seventy odds kids whose parents are going to 'suffer' for the rest of their lives?

He wants incarcerating for the rest of his days, being the repulsive individual he is, until expiry, whereupon he can float up to the fluffy clouds to meet your maker.

Re: Anders Behring Breivik complains of 'inhumane' condition : Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:06 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Sounds more to me like the Norwegians are publicising this to make it sound like they are being hard on him and stop criticism that they should have been tougher.

or, they're publishing it because he's having a whinge. they're being as 'hard' as they can be within the laws of the country. clearly the world wouldn't implode if he fell down a huge set of stairs, but that's not how norwegians work and that's ok with me.

Re: Anders Behring Breivik complains of 'inhumane' condition : Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:09 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

So the repulsive view(s) you speak of are one single poster saying that he wants the convicted murderer to 'suffer' for the massacring of seventy odds kids whose parents are going to 'suffer' for the rest of their lives?

Yes, that is a truly repulsive and morally wrong position to take.

He wants incarcerating for the rest of his days, being the repulsive individual he is, until expiry, whereupon he can float up to the fluffy clouds to meet your maker.

I think that is an appropriate and proportionate punishment. Restrict his ability to commit such an atrocity again, but don't make him suffer for the sake of it. I get the feeling a lot of people would enjoy seeing him suffer. Well I wouldn't, and anyone who would needs to seriously re-examine their own morality.

Re: Anders Behring Breivik complains of 'inhumane' condition : Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:18 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Yes, that is a truly repulsive and morally wrong position to take.

I think that is an appropriate and proportionate punishment. Restrict his ability to commit such an atrocity again, but don't make him suffer for the sake of it. I get the feeling a lot of people would enjoy seeing him suffer. Well I wouldn't, and anyone who would needs to seriously re-examine their own morality.

OK. You'll just have to accept that many people (sadly, in my opinion) believe in the biblical, eye for an eye, nature of justice.

A christian terrorist coward of an individual who will spend the rest of his days behind lock and key, thankfully.

Re: Anders Behring Breivik complains of 'inhumane' condition : Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:41 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

OK. You'll just have to accept that many people (sadly, in my opinion) believe in the biblical, eye for an eye, nature of justice.

It may be biblical, but it is not in keeping with God's most recent revelation. See Matthew 5:38-42. It's good to see that you share my distaste for vengeance, though.

A christian terrorist coward of an individual who will spend the rest of his days behind lock and key, thankfully.

I doubt he really is a Christian. Though it is idle to speculate, it is prudent to consider Matthew 7:15-20.

That is not to say he is beyond redemption, though.

Re: Anders Behring Breivik complains of 'inhumane' condition : Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:57 pm  

I'll pass on Matthew, but thanks anyway.

Maybe Breivik needs another Sister Helen Prejean?