Re: Freedom of Speech : Tue May 01, 2012 6:02 pm  

I presume he would understand it if a German murdered him now, given the terrible death toll caused in the British firebombing of Dresden, the only good Briton is a dead one.

Re: Freedom of Speech : Tue May 01, 2012 6:20 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Indeed, but why was he bombing Germany? There's a big difference in that neither he nor the English were bent on invading the place. We didn't start it, and given available defences I'm not sure what else you'd expect an RAF man to do.

Just to be pedantic, I am sure that Germany didn't declare war on the British Empire. I am pretty sure we claimed we declared war on Germany to pprotect the independence of Poland.

Didn't achieve that, did we?

Major fail.

Re: Freedom of Speech : Tue May 01, 2012 6:52 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

I presume he would understand it if a German murdered him now, given the terrible death toll caused in the British firebombing of Dresden, the only good Briton is a dead one.

Spot on.
Britain could have bombed the railway lines that led to the Nazi death camps and saved millions of lives.
It chose to unleash a wave of bombing terror on civilians instead.

I can understand Moore's bitterness, but this is not an excuse for his Little England bigotry, which ATEOTD is merely a mirror image of some of the worst nationalistic ravings of the Nazis themselves. Moore's comments are also an insult to hundreds of thousands of Germans who opposed Hitler and paid for that with their lives.

If his fiancee had been killed by a greengrocer in 1940 would he now be waging war on employees of Tesco and Asda?

Re: Freedom of Speech : Tue May 01, 2012 6:58 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Indeed, but why was he bombing Germany? There's a big difference in that neither he nor the English were bent on invading the place. We didn't start it, and given available defences I'm not sure what else you'd expect an RAF man to do.

But once he'd done it, he's hardly in a position to moan about it happening in return

Re: Freedom of Speech : Tue May 01, 2012 8:10 pm  

Dally wrote: What do you feel about Sir Patrick's alleged comments? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... anc-e.html Yay, more tea and kittens

Dally wrote: What do you feel about Sir Patrick's alleged comments? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... anc-e.html Yay, more tea and kittens

Re: Freedom of Speech : Tue May 01, 2012 8:18 pm  

He's entitled to his view, as I am mine. Difference is I don't get a national newspaper publishing mine

Re: Freedom of Speech : Tue May 01, 2012 8:23 pm  

Chief Stinkwort wrote:

:CLAP:

Spot on.
Britain could have bombed the railway lines that led to the Nazi death camps and saved millions of lives.
It chose to unleash a wave of bombing terror on civilians instead.

I can understand Moore's bitterness, but this is not an excuse for his Little England bigotry, which ATEOTD is merely a mirror image of some of the worst nationalistic ravings of the Nazis themselves. Moore's comments are also an insult to hundreds of thousands of Germans who opposed Hitler and paid for that with their lives.

If his fiancee had been killed by a greengrocer in 1940 would he now be waging war on employees of Tesco and Asda?

It's just the same mentality as a terrorist.

People over here condemn the Taleban and terrorists etc but if one of your family was killed as 'collateral damage' from an RAF or American bombing raid then wouldn't you be justified getting some retaliation on Western civilians or at the very least taking down some squaddies with an IED?

Re: Freedom of Speech : Tue May 01, 2012 8:24 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

He's entitled to his view, as I am mine. Difference is I don't get a national newspaper publishing mine

Are you trying to say you're a nobody?

Another difference is that he has given a view on this subject, and you haven't.

Re: Freedom of Speech : Tue May 01, 2012 8:29 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

The rise on those pants is greater than most people's inside leg

Gangsta 'e ain't.

That's one long zip on the fly.

Re: Freedom of Speech : Tue May 01, 2012 9:07 pm  

Stand-Offish wrote:

Are you trying to say you're a nobody?

Another difference is that he has given a view on this subject, and you haven't.

I'm keeping my powder dry...