Re: Abu Qatada can't be deported - ECHR overrules UK courts : Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:26 pm  

tb wrote:

... The ruling is not difficult to understand ...

Sure about that?

Re: Abu Qatada can't be deported - ECHR overrules UK courts : Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:27 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

Because someone at some point decided (with agreement) that the ECHR would have jurisdiction over the UK in these matters...

IIRC, it was one W Churchill who signed up to this originally.

As tb points out, this is not an EU body.

Re: Abu Qatada can't be deported - ECHR overrules UK courts : Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:30 pm  

tb wrote:

Because we signed the European Convention of Human Rights, a binding treaty, and it forbids torture. The ruling is not difficult to understand, whether or not you agree with it.

Were we not given diplomatic assurances that they will not face torture?

[tb]

Re: Abu Qatada can't be deported - ECHR overrules UK courts : Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:38 pm  

Here's a useful QandA from the Beeb http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16594683

Here's a useful QandA from the Beeb http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16594683

Re: Abu Qatada can't be deported - ECHR overrules UK courts : Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:51 pm  

tb wrote: Here's a useful QandA from the Beeb http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16594683 "The court has made clear that if the UK obtained an assurance from Jordan that evidence obtained by torture would not be used against Abu Qatada at trial, there would be nothing to stop his deportation." Important point

tb wrote: Here's a useful QandA from the Beeb http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16594683 "The court has made clear that if the UK obtained an assurance from Jordan that evidence obtained by torture would not be used against Abu Qatada at trial, there would be nothing to stop his deportation." Important point

Re: Abu Qatada can't be deported - ECHR overrules UK courts : Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:51 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Were we not given diplomatic assurances that they will not face torture?

Like those diplomatic assurances that UK intelligence agencies weren't at all involved in the rendition of "terror suspects" back to Libya?

Re: Abu Qatada can't be deported - ECHR overrules UK courts : Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:54 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Were we not given diplomatic assurances that they will not face torture?

Apparently so and they were accepted. It's the evidence that may be used against his that was allegedly obtained by torturing others that's the issue.

Re: Abu Qatada can't be deported - ECHR overrules UK courts : Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:36 pm  

tb wrote:

You've actually lost your understanding of words and what they mean, haven't you?

I doubt that, but then if I had, I quite possibly would, so perhaps I did, only if I did, and you had said what specifically I had purportedly misunderstood, then I would have had a chance of considering whether I had, or hadn't, insofar of course as I could, but as you didn't, I can't. So can you?

Re: Abu Qatada can't be deported - ECHR overrules UK courts : Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:17 pm  

Surely the security services would be able to bump him off without arising too much suspision.

Re: Abu Qatada can't be deported - ECHR overrules UK courts : Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:26 pm  

tb wrote:

Because we signed the European Convention of Human Rights, a binding treaty, and it forbids torture. The ruling is not difficult to understand, whether or not you agree with it.

Said on radio today that France and Italy have ignored these rulings in the past and deported anyway. Seems as in fishing, we seem to obey everything and others pick to suit.

I am sure he is a danger to us, even our inept security services must have some compelling evidence to keep him locked up for so long. My worry is that we will be conned into releasing him and will suffer the consequences in blood, like the 7/7 attacks.