The right to die : Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:07 pm  

In the wake of the Tony Nicklinson verdict yesterday, the debate has reopened about the thorny issue of assisted suicide. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nicklinson Most commentators have said that they are enormously empathetic of Tony’s situation and that they would not wish his plight on their worst enemy. I agree with this wholeheartedly. But human life is sacred. It is a gift from God. It is not to be ended on a whim. That applies to babies in the womb, to prisoners on death row, and, sadly, to people like Tony Nicklinson. Tony faces a frightening and torturous life, but it is life nonetheless. I wish him well and I pray one day he gets to grips with his condition and enjoys the life God has given him. That may be scary for him, but the alternative is much more frightening. The reaction of most people I know, including those who have commented on Polly Toynbee’s article, is that life is something which can be weighed, measured and, if deemed unsatisfactory, curtailed. Earlier this week, the Mail reported about a Christian family who have lost a legal battle to keep their son on life-support equipment. The esteemed judge declared that the doctors knew best and that their decision was sovereign. Who put the doctors in charge? Or the judge? No one, I repeat no one, has the authority to take another human being’s life. It is so typical of mankind that we try to play God. I pray for Tony. I pray for the family of the Christian boy. But most of all, I pray for humanity and hope that we soon recognise that life is not something that can be flicked on and off as easily as a light switch.

In the wake of the Tony Nicklinson verdict yesterday, the debate has reopened about the thorny issue of assisted suicide. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nicklinson Most commentators have said that they are enormously empathetic of Tony’s situation and that they would not wish his plight on their worst enemy. I agree with this wholeheartedly. But human life is sacred. It is a gift from God. It is not to be ended on a whim. That applies to babies in the womb, to prisoners on death row, and, sadly, to people like Tony Nicklinson. Tony faces a frightening and torturous life, but it is life nonetheless. I wish him well and I pray one day he gets to grips with his condition and enjoys the life God has given him. That may be scary for him, but the alternative is much more frightening. The reaction of most people I know, including those who have commented on Polly Toynbee’s article, is that life is something which can be weighed, measured and, if deemed unsatisfactory, curtailed. Earlier this week, the Mail reported about a Christian family who have lost a legal battle to keep their son on life-support equipment. The esteemed judge declared that the doctors knew best and that their decision was sovereign. Who put the doctors in charge? Or the judge? No one, I repeat no one, has the authority to take another human being’s life. It is so typical of mankind that we try to play God. I pray for Tony. I pray for the family of the Christian boy. But most of all, I pray for humanity and hope that we soon recognise that life is not something that can be flicked on and off as easily as a light switch.

Re: The right to die : Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:19 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

But human life is sacred. It is a gift from God.

That's this thread fooked then.

All together now: "every sperm is sacred"

Re: The right to die : Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:29 pm  

You should have the right to do what you want with your own body and with your own life. If you believe life is a gift from god then do not kill yourself, but don't you dare try and force your beliefs on to me.
The only reason we don't have that right in this country is because of the issues surrounding it such as elderly/ill people might feel like a burden and feel as though they should, the issues around mental capacity and the potential for abuse. It, thankfully, has nothing to do with religion.

I honestly don't know the answer to this, I can see it from both sides and understand the problems the courts and politicians have in deciding one way or another.

Re: The right to die : Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:57 pm  

Is this not a human rights issue??? Surely human rights laws should work both ways. Tony Nicklinson wants to die, the court has decided that he will be forced to live and that in my opinion is allowing Tony Nicklinson 20+ more years of torture, pain and suffering against his will!

Re: The right to die : Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:05 pm  

airliebird9 wrote:

Is this not a human rights issue??? Surely human rights laws should work both ways. Tony Nicklinson wants to die, the court has decided that he will be forced to live and that in my opinion is allowing Tony Nicklinson 20+ more years of torture, pain and suffering against his will!

The state is apparently quite content if he decides to starve himself to death

Re: The right to die : Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:05 pm  

It's a difficult one. Some people are in terrible situations and would rather be dead but are unable to end their own lives. Anyone who ended their life for them would have murdered them.

How would it work out if euthanasia was legalised? Would the killer (for want of a better word) just be able to say "They asked me to do it" and then not face legal ramifications? How would a contract be drawn up between the patient and the doctor to make it a legal procedure?

Re: The right to die : Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:10 pm  

kirkstaller wrote: In the wake of the Tony Nicklinson verdict yesterday, the debate has reopened about the thorny issue of assisted suicide. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nicklinson Most commentators have said that they are enormously empathetic of Tony’s situation and that they would not wish his plight on their worst enemy. I agree with this wholeheartedly. But human life is sacred. It is a gift from God. It is not to be ended on a whim. That applies to babies in the womb, to prisoners on death row, and, sadly, to people like Tony Nicklinson. Tony faces a frightening and torturous life, but it is life nonetheless. I wish him well and I pray one day he gets to grips with his condition and enjoys the life God has given him. That may be scary for him, but the alternative is much more frightening. The reaction of most people I know, including those who have commented on Polly Toynbee’s article, is that life is something which can be weighed, measured and, if deemed unsatisfactory, curtailed. Earlier this week, the Mail reported about a Christian family who have lost a legal battle to keep their son on life-support equipment. The esteemed judge declared that the doctors knew best and that their decision was sovereign. Who put the doctors in charge? Or the judge? No one, I repeat no one, has the authority to take another human being’s life. It is so typical of mankind that we try to play God. I pray for Tony. I pray for the family of the Christian boy. But most of all, I pray for humanity and hope that we soon recognise that life is not something that can be flicked on and off as easily as a light switch. God isn’t real. For you to put your beliefs and your offence above a mans choice and his suffering is as heartless as it is stupid. I don’t pray, I think. Maybe if we did more of the latter, and less of the former we might actually, tangibly, help those who are suffering.

kirkstaller wrote: In the wake of the Tony Nicklinson verdict yesterday, the debate has reopened about the thorny issue of assisted suicide. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nicklinson Most commentators have said that they are enormously empathetic of Tony’s situation and that they would not wish his plight on their worst enemy. I agree with this wholeheartedly. But human life is sacred. It is a gift from God. It is not to be ended on a whim. That applies to babies in the womb, to prisoners on death row, and, sadly, to people like Tony Nicklinson. Tony faces a frightening and torturous life, but it is life nonetheless. I wish him well and I pray one day he gets to grips with his condition and enjoys the life God has given him. That may be scary for him, but the alternative is much more frightening. The reaction of most people I know, including those who have commented on Polly Toynbee’s article, is that life is something which can be weighed, measured and, if deemed unsatisfactory, curtailed. Earlier this week, the Mail reported about a Christian family who have lost a legal battle to keep their son on life-support equipment. The esteemed judge declared that the doctors knew best and that their decision was sovereign. Who put the doctors in charge? Or the judge? No one, I repeat no one, has the authority to take another human being’s life. It is so typical of mankind that we try to play God. I pray for Tony. I pray for the family of the Christian boy. But most of all, I pray for humanity and hope that we soon recognise that life is not something that can be flicked on and off as easily as a light switch. God isn’t real. For you to put your beliefs and your offence above a mans choice and his suffering is as heartless as it is stupid. I don’t pray, I think. Maybe if we did more of the latter, and less of the former we might actually, tangibly, help those who are suffering.

Re: The right to die : Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:29 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

But human life is sacred. It is a gift from God. It is not to be ended on a whim. That applies to babies in the womb, to prisoners on death row, and, sadly, to people like Tony Nicklinson. Tony faces a frightening and torturous life, but it is life nonetheless. I wish him well and I pray one day he gets to grips with his condition and enjoys the life God has given him. That may be scary for him, but the alternative is much more frightening.

How do you reconcile your God's decision to give 99% of the population an ambulent sort of life, the sort of life that most of us enjoy, but to choose a few individuals to have a life that consists of you having a brain that works inside a shell that doesn't ?

What sort of humourless day was your God having when he decided to do that and for what purpose ?

Re: The right to die : Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:00 pm  

kirkstaller wrote: In the wake of the Tony Nicklinson verdict yesterday, the debate has reopened about the thorny issue of assisted suicide. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nicklinson Most commentators have said that they are enormously empathetic of Tony’s situation and that they would not wish his plight on their worst enemy. I agree with this wholeheartedly. But human life is sacred. It is a gift from God. It is not to be ended on a whim. That applies to babies in the womb, to prisoners on death row, and, sadly, to people like Tony Nicklinson. Tony faces a frightening and torturous life, but it is life nonetheless. I wish him well and I pray one day he gets to grips with his condition and enjoys the life God has given him. That may be scary for him, but the alternative is much more frightening. The reaction of most people I know, including those who have commented on Polly Toynbee’s article, is that life is something which can be weighed, measured and, if deemed unsatisfactory, curtailed. Earlier this week, the Mail reported about a Christian family who have lost a legal battle to keep their son on life-support equipment. The esteemed judge declared that the doctors knew best and that their decision was sovereign. Who put the doctors in charge? Or the judge? No one, I repeat no one, has the authority to take another human being’s life. It is so typical of mankind that we try to play God. I pray for Tony. I pray for the family of the Christian boy. But most of all, I pray for humanity and hope that we soon recognise that life is not something that can be flicked on and off as easily as a light switch. The good news is at least the fairies at the bottom of your garden know you are nuts................

kirkstaller wrote: In the wake of the Tony Nicklinson verdict yesterday, the debate has reopened about the thorny issue of assisted suicide. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nicklinson Most commentators have said that they are enormously empathetic of Tony’s situation and that they would not wish his plight on their worst enemy. I agree with this wholeheartedly. But human life is sacred. It is a gift from God. It is not to be ended on a whim. That applies to babies in the womb, to prisoners on death row, and, sadly, to people like Tony Nicklinson. Tony faces a frightening and torturous life, but it is life nonetheless. I wish him well and I pray one day he gets to grips with his condition and enjoys the life God has given him. That may be scary for him, but the alternative is much more frightening. The reaction of most people I know, including those who have commented on Polly Toynbee’s article, is that life is something which can be weighed, measured and, if deemed unsatisfactory, curtailed. Earlier this week, the Mail reported about a Christian family who have lost a legal battle to keep their son on life-support equipment. The esteemed judge declared that the doctors knew best and that their decision was sovereign. Who put the doctors in charge? Or the judge? No one, I repeat no one, has the authority to take another human being’s life. It is so typical of mankind that we try to play God. I pray for Tony. I pray for the family of the Christian boy. But most of all, I pray for humanity and hope that we soon recognise that life is not something that can be flicked on and off as easily as a light switch. The good news is at least the fairies at the bottom of your garden know you are nuts................

Re: The right to die : Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:04 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

I pray for humanity and hope that we soon recognise that life is not something that can be flicked on and off as easily as a light switch.

I pray your internet connection fails and never comes back, lunatic.