Re: Wanes' on his way for 2022, : Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:15 am  

John Kear!? You'll be suggesting Karl Harrison next.

Re: Wanes' on his way for 2022, : Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:42 pm  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

John Kear!? You'll be suggesting Karl Harrison next.

No I won’t.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Wanes' on his way for 2022, : Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:47 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

No I won’t.

Do us a favour, can you give me a year by year breakdown of his career, since, say, start of SL, including, trophies, relegations, promotions, sackings, club and international, just for consideration.

Re: Wanes' on his way for 2022, : Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:30 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

His underdog cup wins at Sheffield and Hull and a superb record at Wakefield when he took over on a hiding to nothing and with little resources and permanent off field instability made them a competitive team.

When a coach gets multiple teams to punch above their weight he's probably a good coach.

How far back are we going? The bloke is 66 years old now and has been coaching in the Championship for the last 10 years and last won something over 16 years ago?

May as well appoint Tony Rae because he did a decent job at London!

Re: Wanes' on his way for 2022, : Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:24 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Do us a favour, can you give me a year by year breakdown of his career, since, say, start of SL, including, trophies, relegations, promotions, sackings, club and international, just for consideration.

Paris St Germain (1996)
Came in mid season during a relegation fight and kept them up (11th)

Sheffield Eagles (1997 - 1999)
Finished 8th, 8th (won Challenge Cup), 10th

Huddersfield-Sheffield (2000)
Finished 12th (bottom - not relegated because Dewsbury who won NFP didn't meet the SL criteria)

England (2000)
World Cup semi finalists (lost to NZ)

[Wigan assistant coach to Stuart Raper 2001 - 2004, won Challenge Cup in 2002]

Hull (2005 - 06)
Finished 5th (won Challenge Cup), left mid season 2006

Wakefield (2006 - 11)
Took over in a relegation battle in 2006, won 4 from last 6 to do the 'great escape' 10th
2007 to 2011 finished 8th, 8th, 5th, 11th, 13th (with points deduction for going into administration)

Batley (2012 - 2016)
[in Championship] 5th, 5th, 8th, 9th, 3rd

Bradford (2017 - 2020)
[Director of Rugby in 2017 when they were liquidated and relegated to League 1, took over as coach for 2018]
[League 1] 2018 finished 2nd, promoted to Championship
[Championship] 2019 6th, 2020 7th at time of season suspension (4 games played only)

Re: Wanes' on his way for 2022, : Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:06 pm  

There are only two current SL coaches with a Grand Final win on the CV. I doubt we'll get Woolf from St Helens, so would the Hull KR coach be worth a punt? Multiple trophy winner (SL, CC, WCC), entertaining rugby, international coaching experience. Sounds ideal for us.

Re: Wanes' on his way for 2022, : Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:23 pm  

Going back to duckie's obsession with a certain coach....

You want a RL equivalent of Sam Allardyce to come and turn us around? Kear is now a "firefighter". I'm sorry duckie. I like the majority of your posts, but you're going back to your attention seeking worst, here.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Wanes' on his way for 2022, : Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:54 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Paris St Germain (1996)
Came in mid season during a relegation fight and kept them up (11th)

Sheffield Eagles (1997 - 1999)
Finished 8th, 8th (won Challenge Cup), 10th

Huddersfield-Sheffield (2000)
Finished 12th (bottom - not relegated because Dewsbury who won NFP didn't meet the SL criteria)

England (2000)
World Cup semi finalists (lost to NZ)

[Wigan assistant coach to Stuart Raper 2001 - 2004, won Challenge Cup in 2002]

Hull (2005 - 06)
Finished 5th (won Challenge Cup), left mid season 2006

Wakefield (2006 - 11)
Took over in a relegation battle in 2006, won 4 from last 6 to do the 'great escape' 10th
2007 to 2011 finished 8th, 8th, 5th, 11th, 13th (with points deduction for going into administration)

Batley (2012 - 2016)
[in Championship] 5th, 5th, 8th, 9th, 3rd

Bradford (2017 - 2020)
[Director of Rugby in 2017 when they were liquidated and relegated to League 1, took over as coach for 2018]
[League 1] 2018 finished 2nd, promoted to Championship
[Championship] 2019 6th, 2020 7th at time of season suspension (4 games played only)

You're a spoilsport

Re: Wanes' on his way for 2022, : Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:56 pm  

Based on what Leigh are doing to Wigan, maybe we should have appointed Duffy.

As for Mr Kear, well I've had some great afternoons in the cup (my 1990 Wembley outfit brought gasps from the neighbours), I'm frequently incomprehensible and my best years are also 30 years behind me so you might as well appoint me. I'm probably more expensive than Kear though, and rightly so.

Re: Wanes' on his way for 2022, : Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:08 pm  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

Based on what Leigh are doing to Wigan, maybe we should have appointed Duffy.

As for Mr Kear, well I've had some great afternoons in the cup (my 1990 Wembley outfit brought gasps from the neighbours), I'm frequently incomprehensible and my best years are also 30 years behind me so you might as well appoint me. I'm probably more expensive than Kear though, and rightly so.

You'd be in front of Kear in my list. Biggest doubt on your appointment would be the EU blocking the movement of HBC.