Re: Team for Wakefield : Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:23 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Don't misunderstand me. I didn't mean immaterial in that sense. All opinions are immaterial except the ref's. I meant immaterial with regards to this discussion as thinking something is not the same as being able to prove it. Not a single frame of footage shows separation so for you to think something has no bearing on proving your point (purely within the framework of this discussion). So when you advocate "no try" I'm asking for you to illustrate why. (That being the point of a discussion, no?)

The Ryan Hall was exactly the same in that at no point could separation be shown, therefore "try".

You're not wrong EC!

For me, he doesn't move his hand and yet the ball begins to move, that's why I'm saying no try. Yes some part of his hand/arm may have still been on it, but I think the ball starts moving early enough that it's more likely to have completely separated. All chip paper now of course and as you say, there's no definitive shot to completely prove it.

Re: Team for Wakefield : Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:37 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

For me, he doesn't move his hand and yet the ball begins to move, that's why I'm saying no try. Yes some part of his hand/arm may have still been on it, but I think the ball starts moving early enough that it's more likely to have completely separated. All chip paper now of course and as you say, there's no definitive shot to completely prove it.

Can't agree with your "more likely to have completely separated" comment. Based on what? It's equally likely to have stayed in contact. There is no empirical way to favour one scenario over the other. It's a 50-50 at best.

All chip paper now though as you say and the chip papers agree it was a try

Re: Team for Wakefield : Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:19 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Can't agree with your "more likely to have completely separated" comment. Based on what? It's equally likely to have stayed in contact. There is no empirical way to favour one scenario over the other. It's a 50-50 at best.

All chip paper now though as you say and the chip papers agree it was a try

I can't be bothered. It's a tight call