Re: Test crowds for Superleague : Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:51 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

I am against it. I think the risk when people are leaving is too high. As explained in the part of my quote you deleted.

Yes i agree that part of your post suggest it's a bad idea, .......but the other part of your quote suggest otherwise. See below.

Grimmy wrote:

Yeah i think some staggering naturally happens when people arrive, I can see how that could be managed with advance warnings that it will take longer than usual for people to go in, stewards ensuring people distance whilst queueing to get in, and don't hang around on the concourse once they are in (might have to close the kiosks to help this) and outside you have unlimited space to queue in.

Re: Test crowds for Superleague : Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:04 pm  

Cokey wrote:

No mention of tickets here. It sounds like you're in favour of a fans return to some capacity which is what i have been saying on the VT that you've been challenging.

Talking hypothetical, If the government said they would be prepared to trial a pilot scheme for the challenge cup final with a certain amount of fans to be allowed in, and Wigan made the final.Would you want to attend? or by your principal, you would rather not,so as to not take the risk of catching Covid?

You are either for or against a fans return. You have made it clear on the VT that you're totally against it, yet on here you talk as if it could be possible as shown in the quote above.

Quoting someones post from a week before the new rules were put in place when there was a possibility that the Saints game would go ahead and when the person is talking "hypothetically" about how 1000 tickets "Could" be distributed is a LONG WAY from looking at it over a week or so later when new lock down rules have been put in place because of the 2nd wave and Trials of sporting events have been put back/called off and then trying to make out people are contradicting themselves.

Let's make it simple
The people you are arguing with DON'T THINK it would be a good idea to petition the government etc. to allow limited numbers of fans into games in the current climate for lots of reasons, and they've expanded on some of them.
When you then add in all of the costs involved in making this happen, and for what benefit the game itself would get out of it in the current escalating climate and I too don't think it would be a good idea.
You crack on, go ahead with the petition, that's your right, no-ones stopping you, no-one says it's impossible to do, they're just saying is it worth the risk

If the government do trial it each individual would have to make their own call, would I go, Yes
Do I think we should petition the government and then ask clubs to incur potential extra costs and put people "At Risk" (Not that it is definite that something will go wrong, but increasing the risk that it will and for very small benefit) then no, I don't.

Re: Test crowds for Superleague : Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:16 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Quoting someones post from a week before the new rules were put in place when there was a possibility that the Saints game would go ahead and when the person is talking "hypothetically" about how 1000 tickets "Could" be distributed is a LONG WAY from looking at it over a week or so later when new lock down rules have been put in place because of the 2nd wave and Trials of sporting events have been put back/called off and then trying to make out people are contradicting themselves.

Let's make it simple
The people you are arguing with DON'T THINK it would be a good idea to petition the government etc. to allow limited numbers of fans into games in the current climate for lots of reasons, and they've expanded on some of them.
When you then add in all of the costs involved in making this happen, and for what benefit the game itself would get out of it in the current escalating climate and I too don't think it would be a good idea.
You crack on, go ahead with the petition, that's your right, no-ones stopping you, no-one says it's impossible to do, they're just saying is it worth the risk

If the government do trial it each individual would have to make their own call, would I go, Yes
Do I think we should petition the government and then ask clubs to incur potential extra costs and put people "At Risk" (Not that it is definite that something will go wrong, but increasing the risk that it will and for very small benefit) then no, I don't.

You've just contradicted yourself like the other two. I am sticking to my ONE opinion,but i am being challenged with contradictory opinions.

Re: Test crowds for Superleague : Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:17 pm  

Cokey wrote:

Yes i agree that part of your post suggest it's a bad idea, .......but the other part of your quote suggest otherwise. See below.

Yes, so I think with very good planning you could potentially manage to get people into the stadium safely, but I don't think you could safely get them out. It's a different situation getting them out:

Entering v Leaving

- People naturally turn up at staggered times to an extent v 90% of people all want to leave at once.
- Wide open spaces to queue v Enlcosed concourse/steps
- The deterrent of non-admission may make people follow the rules v No deterrent, all you can do is kick people out who want to leave anyway.
- No rush assuming you're not going to miss kick off v Rush to catch the last train, bus, last orders, get home at a reasonable time (especially if you live further away)
- Generally people are more sober and relaxed v Many now drunk, wound up if the team has lost. Less likely to be compliant as a result.

Re: Test crowds for Superleague : Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:49 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Yes, so I think with very good planning you could potentially manage to get people into the stadium safely, but I don't think you could safely get them out. It's a different situation getting them out:

Entering v Leaving

- People naturally turn up at staggered times to an extent v 90% of people all want to leave at once.
- Wide open spaces to queue v Enlcosed concourse/steps
- The deterrent of non-admission may make people follow the rules v No deterrent, all you can do is kick people out who want to leave anyway.
- No rush assuming you're not going to miss kick off v Rush to catch the last train, bus, last orders, get home at a reasonable time (especially if you live further away)
- Generally people are more sober and relaxed v Many now drunk, wound up if the team has lost. Less likely to be compliant as a result.

But it's ok to have part social distancing in shops and supermarkets? Mass gatherings @ 10pm all over the country spreading the Kung Flu? no proper social distancing @ train stations, tube ,and generally public transport.

If SL clubs where given the nod to trial a fans return (let's say in a couple of weeks)with stringent restrictions in place, (which is what Iv'e been advocating), my Guess is that they would do,and fans will be scrambling for a ticket. No doubt you would too.

Re: Test crowds for Superleague : Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:55 pm  

Cokey wrote:

But it's ok to have part social distancing in shops and supermarkets? Mass gatherings @ 10pm all over the country spreading the Kung Flu? no proper social distancing @ train stations, tube ,and generally public transport.

If SL clubs where given the nod to trial a fans return (let's say in a couple of weeks)with stringent restrictions in place, (which is what Iv'e been advocating), my Guess is that they would do,and fans will be scrambling for a ticket. No doubt you would too.

Shops and travel are necessities, watching rugby isn't. I don't think stringent enough restrictions to allow people to leave are viable for the reasons I've just mentioned. Yes people will happily go to the rugby if they allow crowds back, that doesn't mean it's right or safe to do so (although many would presume it was safe if they were allowed to buy a ticket).

Re: Test crowds for Superleague : Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:01 pm  

Cokey wrote:

But it's ok to have part social distancing in shops and supermarkets? Mass gatherings @ 10pm all over the country spreading the Kung Flu? no proper social distancing @ train stations, tube ,and generally public transport.

If SL clubs where given the nod to trial a fans return (let's say in a couple of weeks)with stringent restrictions in place, (which is what Iv'e been advocating), my Guess is that they would do,and fans will be scrambling for a ticket. No doubt you would too.

Please ignore this poster.

Re: Test crowds for Superleague : Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:26 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Shops and travel are necessities, watching rugby isn't. I don't think stringent enough restrictions to allow people to leave are viable for the reasons I've just mentioned. Yes people will happily go to the rugby if they allow crowds back, that doesn't mean it's right or safe to do so (although many would presume it was safe if they were allowed to buy a ticket).

How do you know? We haven't even tried it. Between March & June is understandable,but looking at this graph, tells me we can be smart enough to give a fans return trial. However, i think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Re: Test crowds for Superleague : Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:27 pm  

Choc Ice wrote:

Please ignore this poster.

Speak for yourself, giving orders to other people. How dare you.

Re: Test crowds for Superleague : Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:42 pm  

Cokey wrote:

:lol:

You've just contradicted yourself like the other two. I am sticking to my ONE opinion,but i am being challenged with contradictory opinions.

No I haven't

I have said that I don't believe for the good of the game/clubs finances it's worth considering at this moment especially when the government are tightening rules not reducing them, and I certainly don't think it's worth petitioning about and getting involved in petty little squabbles about the Phraseology that other posters are using and I can't decide if your being obtuse or not because it's quite simple

As it stands I won't go - because I can't go
If they change the rule then I will make a choice to whether go or not go because I won't be breaking the law - That isn't Contradictory, it isn't even hypocrisy because it's 2 different situations.

All the ones you are arguing with are saying the same thing - It's understandable CURRENTLY that the rules aren't changing and we are not allowed fans back in any way (For gods sake even PL Football with it's Billions can't get fans in).

If they do the change the clubs will be under vast amounts of pressure and cost to accommodate, will that be worth it, Suppose that would be up to each club to do their due diligence, but as it stands it's a Moot point because they can't.

And I would have stab in the dark you would have no idea what would be involved in reopening a venue for fans and the amount of work involved in making it compliant - Simply wanting it to happen isn't good enough, there are Hundreds of issues to resolve to Make it happen

I'm sure your chief executive will be working all Hours he can to facilitate it when it is reasonably practical, safe, cost effective & Legal to do so.
Or at least he will once he's sorted a job out for me that he's been promising for ages